Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key

Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key

[Paolo Petta]

[Dear moderator:
  this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
  decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
  being spread to the mailing list!
  But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your time!]

I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs 
regularly on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the 
comprehensive cross-platform support that Org promises is highly 
appealing.

But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I discovered 
that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty. While for some 
key combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the [(meta ...)] variants are 
defined, it is only the [(meta ...)] definitions that are fully covered. 
For example, org-insert-todo-heading - one of the very first 
org-specific key-combinations introduced in the very useful Org tutorial 
- is mapped only to [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent 
[?\e (shift return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).

While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the missing 
keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into problems), I am not 
proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare provide my fixes: e.g. I'm 
not at all sure to have made the correct additions to the section 
introduced with the comment
  ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of org.el;
the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would be 
another example.

I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full' coverage 
for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming release.

With many thanks in advance!

Paolo
-- 
Paolo Petta                                         +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe       Paolo.Petta <@> ofai.at

Re: Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Paolo,

normally, meta key bindings should automatically also affect ESC  
bindings.  So it should not be necessary, even though I see that I  
have done this in some cases, very like upon requests like your's.

If you try to come up with a list of affected bindings/commands, I  
will add these specific bindings.  However, as you have noticed, some  
keys in orgstruct-mode may be difficult.

- Carsten

On May 24, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Paolo Petta wrote:

> [Dear moderator:
> this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
> decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
> being spread to the mailing list!
> But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your  
> time!]
>
> I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs  
> regularly on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the  
> comprehensive cross-platform support that Org promises is highly  
> appealing.
>
> But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I  
> discovered that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty.  
> While for some key combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the  
> [(meta ...)] variants are defined, it is only the [(meta ...)]  
> definitions that are fully covered. For example, org-insert-todo- 
> heading - one of the very first org-specific key-combinations  
> introduced in the very useful Org tutorial - is mapped only to  
> [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent [?\e (shift  
> return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
>
> While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the  
> missing keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into  
> problems), I am not proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare  
> provide my fixes: e.g. I'm not at all sure to have made the correct  
> additions to the section introduced with the comment
> ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of org.el;
> the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would be  
> another example.
>
> I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full'  
> coverage for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming  
> release.
>
> With many thanks in advance!
>
> Paolo
> -- 
> Paolo Petta                                          
> +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence  
> +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe       Paolo.Petta <@>  
> ofai.at
>
>
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Re: Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key

[Paolo Petta]

Dear Carsten -

many thanks for following up on this (and to the list for bearing with 
me!) --- more in a direct/private email.

Paolo

On Tue, 26 May 2009, Carsten Dominik wrote:

> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:25:01 +0200
> From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> To: Paolo Petta <paolo.petta@ofai.at>
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key
> 
> Hi Paolo,
>
> normally, meta key bindings should automatically also affect ESC bindings. 
> So it should not be necessary, even though I see that I have done this in 
> some cases, very like upon requests like your's.
>
> If you try to come up with a list of affected bindings/commands, I will add 
> these specific bindings.  However, as you have noticed, some keys in 
> orgstruct-mode may be difficult.
>
> - Carsten
>
> On May 24, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Paolo Petta wrote:
>
>> [Dear moderator:
>> this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
>> decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
>> being spread to the mailing list!
>> But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your time!]
>> 
>> I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs regularly 
>> on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the comprehensive 
>> cross-platform support that Org promises is highly appealing.
>> 
>> But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I discovered 
>> that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty. While for some key 
>> combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the [(meta ...)] variants are 
>> defined, it is only the [(meta ...)] definitions that are fully covered. 
>> For example, org-insert-todo-heading - one of the very first org-specific 
>> key-combinations introduced in the very useful Org tutorial - is mapped 
>> only to [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent [?\e (shift 
>> return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
>> 
>> While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the missing 
>> keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into problems), I am not 
>> proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare provide my fixes: e.g. I'm 
>> not at all sure to have made the correct additions to the section 
>> introduced with the comment
>> ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of org.el;
>> the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would be another 
>> example.
>> 
>> I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full' coverage 
>> for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming release.
>> 
>> With many thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Paolo
>> -- 
>> Paolo Petta                                         +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
>> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
>> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe       Paolo.Petta <@> ofai.at
>> 
>> 
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Paolo Petta                                         +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe       Paolo.Petta <@> ofai.at

Re: Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Paolo,

I have applied your patch, only moving some of the bindings into the  
org-use-extra-keys form.

Thanks!

- Carsten


On May 26, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Paolo Petta wrote:

> Dear Carsten -
>
> many thanks for following up on this (and to the list for bearing  
> with me!) --- more in a direct/private email.
>
> Paolo
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2009, Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:25:01 +0200
>> From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
>> To: Paolo Petta <paolo.petta@ofai.at>
>> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta  
>> key
>> Hi Paolo,
>>
>> normally, meta key bindings should automatically also affect ESC  
>> bindings. So it should not be necessary, even though I see that I  
>> have done this in some cases, very like upon requests like your's.
>>
>> If you try to come up with a list of affected bindings/commands, I  
>> will add these specific bindings.  However, as you have noticed,  
>> some keys in orgstruct-mode may be difficult.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On May 24, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Paolo Petta wrote:
>>
>>> [Dear moderator:
>>> this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
>>> decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
>>> being spread to the mailing list!
>>> But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your  
>>> time!]
>>> I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs  
>>> regularly on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the  
>>> comprehensive cross-platform support that Org promises is highly  
>>> appealing.
>>> But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I  
>>> discovered that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty.  
>>> While for some key combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the  
>>> [(meta ...)] variants are defined, it is only the [(meta ...)]  
>>> definitions that are fully covered. For example, org-insert-todo- 
>>> heading - one of the very first org-specific key-combinations  
>>> introduced in the very useful Org tutorial - is mapped only to  
>>> [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent [?\e (shift  
>>> return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
>>> While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the  
>>> missing keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into  
>>> problems), I am not proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare  
>>> provide my fixes: e.g. I'm not at all sure to have made the  
>>> correct additions to the section introduced with the comment
>>> ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of  
>>> org.el;
>>> the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would  
>>> be another example.
>>> I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full'  
>>> coverage for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming  
>>> release.
>>> With many thanks in advance!
>>> Paolo
>>> -- 
>>> Paolo Petta                                          
>>> +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
>>> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence  
>>> +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
>>> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe       Paolo.Petta <@>  
>>> ofai.at
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> -- 
> Paolo Petta                                          
> +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence  
> +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe       Paolo.Petta <@>  
> ofai.at