* Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key
@ 2009-05-24 0:15 Paolo Petta
2009-05-26 17:25 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Paolo Petta @ 2009-05-24 0:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
[Dear moderator:
this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
being spread to the mailing list!
But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your time!]
I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs
regularly on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the
comprehensive cross-platform support that Org promises is highly
appealing.
But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I discovered
that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty. While for some
key combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the [(meta ...)] variants are
defined, it is only the [(meta ...)] definitions that are fully covered.
For example, org-insert-todo-heading - one of the very first
org-specific key-combinations introduced in the very useful Org tutorial
- is mapped only to [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent
[?\e (shift return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the missing
keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into problems), I am not
proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare provide my fixes: e.g. I'm
not at all sure to have made the correct additions to the section
introduced with the comment
";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of org.el;
the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would be
another example.
I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full' coverage
for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming release.
With many thanks in advance!
Paolo
--
Paolo Petta +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe Paolo.Petta <@> ofai.at
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* Re: Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key
2009-05-24 0:15 Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key Paolo Petta
@ 2009-05-26 17:25 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-05-26 17:50 ` Paolo Petta
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-05-26 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paolo Petta; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Paolo,
normally, meta key bindings should automatically also affect ESC
bindings. So it should not be necessary, even though I see that I
have done this in some cases, very like upon requests like your's.
If you try to come up with a list of affected bindings/commands, I
will add these specific bindings. However, as you have noticed, some
keys in orgstruct-mode may be difficult.
- Carsten
On May 24, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Paolo Petta wrote:
> [Dear moderator:
> this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
> decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
> being spread to the mailing list!
> But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your
> time!]
>
> I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs
> regularly on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the
> comprehensive cross-platform support that Org promises is highly
> appealing.
>
> But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I
> discovered that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty.
> While for some key combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the
> [(meta ...)] variants are defined, it is only the [(meta ...)]
> definitions that are fully covered. For example, org-insert-todo-
> heading - one of the very first org-specific key-combinations
> introduced in the very useful Org tutorial - is mapped only to
> [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent [?\e (shift
> return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
>
> While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the
> missing keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into
> problems), I am not proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare
> provide my fixes: e.g. I'm not at all sure to have made the correct
> additions to the section introduced with the comment
> ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of org.el;
> the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would be
> another example.
>
> I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full'
> coverage for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming
> release.
>
> With many thanks in advance!
>
> Paolo
> --
> Paolo Petta
> +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence
> +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe Paolo.Petta <@>
> ofai.at
>
>
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> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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* Re: Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key
2009-05-26 17:25 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-05-26 17:50 ` Paolo Petta
2009-05-27 19:18 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Paolo Petta @ 2009-05-26 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Dear Carsten -
many thanks for following up on this (and to the list for bearing with
me!) --- more in a direct/private email.
Paolo
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:25:01 +0200
> From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> To: Paolo Petta <paolo.petta@ofai.at>
> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key
>
> Hi Paolo,
>
> normally, meta key bindings should automatically also affect ESC bindings.
> So it should not be necessary, even though I see that I have done this in
> some cases, very like upon requests like your's.
>
> If you try to come up with a list of affected bindings/commands, I will add
> these specific bindings. However, as you have noticed, some keys in
> orgstruct-mode may be difficult.
>
> - Carsten
>
> On May 24, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Paolo Petta wrote:
>
>> [Dear moderator:
>> this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
>> decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
>> being spread to the mailing list!
>> But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your time!]
>>
>> I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs regularly
>> on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the comprehensive
>> cross-platform support that Org promises is highly appealing.
>>
>> But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I discovered
>> that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty. While for some key
>> combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the [(meta ...)] variants are
>> defined, it is only the [(meta ...)] definitions that are fully covered.
>> For example, org-insert-todo-heading - one of the very first org-specific
>> key-combinations introduced in the very useful Org tutorial - is mapped
>> only to [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent [?\e (shift
>> return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
>>
>> While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the missing
>> keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into problems), I am not
>> proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare provide my fixes: e.g. I'm
>> not at all sure to have made the correct additions to the section
>> introduced with the comment
>> ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of org.el;
>> the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would be another
>> example.
>>
>> I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full' coverage
>> for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming release.
>>
>> With many thanks in advance!
>>
>> Paolo
>> --
>> Paolo Petta +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
>> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
>> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe Paolo.Petta <@> ofai.at
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
--
Paolo Petta +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe Paolo.Petta <@> ofai.at
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* Re: Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta key
2009-05-26 17:50 ` Paolo Petta
@ 2009-05-27 19:18 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-05-27 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Paolo Petta; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Paolo,
I have applied your patch, only moving some of the bindings into the
org-use-extra-keys form.
Thanks!
- Carsten
On May 26, 2009, at 7:50 PM, Paolo Petta wrote:
> Dear Carsten -
>
> many thanks for following up on this (and to the list for bearing
> with me!) --- more in a direct/private email.
>
> Paolo
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2009, Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 19:25:01 +0200
>> From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
>> To: Paolo Petta <paolo.petta@ofai.at>
>> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Minor request: full support of "ESC" as Meta
>> key
>> Hi Paolo,
>>
>> normally, meta key bindings should automatically also affect ESC
>> bindings. So it should not be necessary, even though I see that I
>> have done this in some cases, very like upon requests like your's.
>>
>> If you try to come up with a list of affected bindings/commands, I
>> will add these specific bindings. However, as you have noticed,
>> some keys in orgstruct-mode may be difficult.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On May 24, 2009, at 2:15 AM, Paolo Petta wrote:
>>
>>> [Dear moderator:
>>> this is of course a minor remark, and it is clearly not up to me to
>>> decide whether it is worth while being recorded at all, let alone
>>> being spread to the mailing list!
>>> But I still do hope it is not considered a downright abuse of your
>>> time!]
>>> I only just started to look into Org: As "OS-hopper" using emacs
>>> regularly on different versions of Linux, Windows, and Mac OS, the
>>> comprehensive cross-platform support that Org promises is highly
>>> appealing.
>>> But trying to use Org relying on the Escape key as 'Meta', I
>>> discovered that Org's support in this regard is currently spotty.
>>> While for some key combinations both the [?\e (...)] and the
>>> [(meta ...)] variants are defined, it is only the [(meta ...)]
>>> definitions that are fully covered. For example, org-insert-todo-
>>> heading - one of the very first org-specific key-combinations
>>> introduced in the very useful Org tutorial - is mapped only to
>>> [(meta shift return)], the "ESC-based" equivalent [?\e (shift
>>> return)] is missing (org.el, line 13905).
>>> While I've tried to patch up org.el the best I could with the
>>> missing keymap definitions (and so far I have not run into
>>> problems), I am not proficient enough an elisp programmer to dare
>>> provide my fixes: e.g. I'm not at all sure to have made the
>>> correct additions to the section introduced with the comment
>>> ";; Special treatment needed for TAB and RET" on line 6836 of
>>> org.el;
>>> the specification of disputed keys on line 331ff in org.el would
>>> be another example.
>>> I would therefore like to ask to please consider putting 'full'
>>> coverage for both keymap variants on the todo list for an upcoming
>>> release.
>>> With many thanks in advance!
>>> Paolo
>>> --
>>> Paolo Petta
>>> +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
>>> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence
>>> +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
>>> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe Paolo.Petta <@>
>>> ofai.at
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> --
> Paolo Petta
> +43-1-5336112-12(Tel)
> Austrian Research Inst. for Artificial Intelligence
> +43-1-5336112-77(Fax)
> Freyung 6/6, A 1010 Vienna, Austria, Europe Paolo.Petta <@>
> ofai.at
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