RFC: changes to the way prefix arguments work for the command org-todo

RFC: changes to the way prefix arguments work for the command org-todo

[Carsten Dominik]

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Hi,

I have been looking at the code for the command org-todo in combination
with the setting of the variable org-use-fast-todo-selection.  And I am
frustrated with the complication and special cases, so I would like to
simplify.  Much of this complication stems from a time when the fast
selection interface had just been implemented and I was not yet sure if I
and others wanted to use it. I think things can be better.

But that does changes something with the user interface, so I am trying to
figure out if anyone would be bothered by this change.

1. Right now, you can set org-use-fast-todo-selection to `prefix'.  With
this setting, fast todo keyword selection is used when you call org-todo
with a prefix argument.  I think this is not useful and I would like to
remove that functionality.  Is anyone even aware of this effect of C-u and
is using this?

2. I want to change org-use-fast-todo-selection to allow these values:
   - nil        Never use it
   - auto    Use it, if keys have been defined.  This would make it similar
                 to the tags selection.  I would accept the value `t' to
mean the same,
                 for backward compatibility
   - expert  Use it, but do not pop up the window with the selections, only
show them in the prompt (or don't show them at all,  am still
considering).  This is because I have been bothered by the jumping windows
when I do a selection that I do so many times a day, and where I know the
keys blindly.

The default setting would be `auto'.  I myself would be using `expert'.

3. I want to make `C-u C-c C-t' to switch the TODO state and force logging
a time stamp and taking a note.  I am already using that functionality (now
harder to access, on `C-u C-u C-u C-c C-t'), I find it very natural and I
think it is often better than configuring automatic note-taking for every
change, at least for my working environment.  Automatic note-taking slows
me down too often.

Any comments?

Thanks

- Carsten

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Re: RFC: changes to the way prefix arguments work for the command org-todo

[Fraga, Eric]

I would be happy with the changes you propose and auto would be a good
default.
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Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.4-399-g4e6222

Re: RFC: changes to the way prefix arguments work for the command org-todo

[Stig Brautaset]

Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:
> 3. I want to make `C-u C-c C-t' to switch the TODO state and force logging
> a time stamp and taking a note.  I am already using that functionality (now
> harder to access, on `C-u C-u C-u C-c C-t'), I find it very natural and I
> think it is often better than configuring automatic note-taking for every
> change, at least for my working environment.  Automatic note-taking slows
> me down too often.

I am in favour of this.  I want to take notes when changing states
_some_ of the time, and thus activate it but end up hitting `C-c C-k' to
omit the note most of the time.  I could omit automatic notes and
manually add notes with `C-c C-z`, but I think what you propose here is
better.

Stig

Re: RFC: changes to the way prefix arguments work for the command org-todo

[Carsten Dominik]

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I have pushed these changes now.

Carsten

On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 10:24 AM Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have been looking at the code for the command org-todo in combination
> with the setting of the variable org-use-fast-todo-selection.  And I am
> frustrated with the complication and special cases, so I would like to
> simplify.  Much of this complication stems from a time when the fast
> selection interface had just been implemented and I was not yet sure if I
> and others wanted to use it. I think things can be better.
>
> But that does changes something with the user interface, so I am trying to
> figure out if anyone would be bothered by this change.
>
> 1. Right now, you can set org-use-fast-todo-selection to `prefix'.  With
> this setting, fast todo keyword selection is used when you call org-todo
> with a prefix argument.  I think this is not useful and I would like to
> remove that functionality.  Is anyone even aware of this effect of C-u and
> is using this?
>
> 2. I want to change org-use-fast-todo-selection to allow these values:
>    - nil        Never use it
>    - auto    Use it, if keys have been defined.  This would make it
> similar
>                  to the tags selection.  I would accept the value `t' to
> mean the same,
>                  for backward compatibility
>    - expert  Use it, but do not pop up the window with the selections,
> only show them in the prompt (or don't show them at all,  am still
> considering).  This is because I have been bothered by the jumping windows
> when I do a selection that I do so many times a day, and where I know the
> keys blindly.
>
> The default setting would be `auto'.  I myself would be using `expert'.
>
> 3. I want to make `C-u C-c C-t' to switch the TODO state and force logging
> a time stamp and taking a note.  I am already using that functionality (now
> harder to access, on `C-u C-u C-u C-c C-t'), I find it very natural and I
> think it is often better than configuring automatic note-taking for every
> change, at least for my working environment.  Automatic note-taking slows
> me down too often.
>
> Any comments?
>
> Thanks
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>

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