* Todo state for [un]ordered list items? @ 2010-03-27 19:41 John Hendy 2010-03-27 20:15 ` Memnon Anon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2010-03-27 19:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1628 bytes --] When I take notes at work, I tend to like to minimize my headlines and use list items instead. Part of this is simply due to how things look when exported. To use headlines for everything looks peculiar to me, at least under the default settings anyway. So... my typical work org-file is like so: * Projects ** Project 1 *** History/Overview *** Journals **** <2010-03-27 Sat> ***** Main thing I did 1 - did stuff - did some more stuff - some sub stuff ** Project 2 * Talks/Courses * Ideas Most likely I'll have one heading under the timestemp shown for each activity for that project that day and the rest will be hyphen lists. My problem is that I can't make any of the unordered list items todos -- it just makes the headline a todo. I'm already at 5 headlines deep and really don't want to make headlines just for a todo that has it's place in my bulleted notes. My questions are: - Does anyone else find the idea of an unordered todo helpful, but one that's not part of a headline? - If so, how could it be implemented? - If not, I'm absolutely game to hear alternative work flows and how others manage without this feature at present! --- So far, I've just been making the headline a TODO and then putting in a [/] at the top; unordered list items that are todos also have a [ ] which is tracked by the top level todo. - Bonus: if this is the best (headline = todo and unordered lists are check boxes), how can I implement a shortcut to toggle the 'todo checkbox' state for unordered list items? It would be awesome to have a C-c C-t equivalent for sub-items such that they were given a checkbox! Many thanks, John [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1795 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Todo state for [un]ordered list items? 2010-03-27 19:41 Todo state for [un]ordered list items? John Hendy @ 2010-03-27 20:15 ` Memnon Anon 2010-03-27 21:07 ` John Hendy 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Memnon Anon @ 2010-03-27 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > * Projects > ** Project 1 > *** History/Overview > *** Journals > **** <2010-03-27 Sat> > ***** Main thing I did 1 > - did stuff > - did some more stuff > - some sub stuff > ** Project 2 > * Talks/Courses > * Ideas > > Most likely I'll have one heading under the timestemp shown for each > activity for that project that day and the rest will be hyphen lists. > My problem is that I can't make any of the unordered list items todos > -- it just makes the headline a todo. I'm already at 5 headlines deep > and really don't want to make headlines just for a todo that has it's > place in my bulleted notes. First, I would suggest a different organisation. You are 5 headlines deep, because you chose this kind of setup, but with some tweaking, you could avoid this: a) Give each Project an own file. b) Don't give dates a headline. So, you would have a file like this: * Project 1 ** History/Overview ** Journals *** DONE Main thing I did 1 <2010-03-27 Sat> *** TODO Stuff 2 *** TODO Stuff 3 If you want to review what you did on a specific day, use the agenda for this. For "substuff", if it is really not worth a separate task, there are lists. > - If not, I'm absolutely game to hear alternative work flows and how > others manage without this feature at present! > --- So far, I've just been making the headline a TODO and then putting > in a [/] at the top; unordered list items that are todos also have a [ > ] which is tracked by the top level todo. - Bonus: if this is the best > (headline = todo and unordered lists are check boxes), how can I > implement a shortcut to toggle the 'todo checkbox' state for unordered > list items? It would be awesome to have a C-c C-t equivalent for > sub-items such that they were given a checkbox! I do not understand, did you miss this: ,----[ (info "(org)The very busy C-c C-c key") ] | - If the cursor is in a plain list item with a checkbox, toggle the | status of the checkbox. `---- To make a checkbox without typing "[ ]", use C-c C-x C-b: ,----[ (info "(org)Checkboxes") ] | `C-c C-x C-b' | Toggle checkbox status or (with prefix arg) checkbox presence at | point. With double prefix argument, set it to `[-]', which is | considered to be an intermediate state. | - If there is an active region, toggle the first checkbox in | the region and set all remaining boxes to the same status as | the first. With a prefix arg, add or remove the checkbox for | all items in the region. | | - If the cursor is in a headline, toggle checkboxes in the | region between this headline and the next (so _not_ the | entire subtree). | | - If there is no active region, just toggle the checkbox at | point. `---- If you need this very often, you may want to bind this to an easier keycombo. Did this help so far? memnon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Todo state for [un]ordered list items? 2010-03-27 20:15 ` Memnon Anon @ 2010-03-27 21:07 ` John Hendy 2010-03-27 22:09 ` Checkbox Statistics (was: Todo state for [un]ordered list items?) Memnon Anon 0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2010-03-27 21:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Memnon Anon; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 6676 bytes --] On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Memnon Anon < gegendosenfleisch@googlemail.com> wrote: > John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes > > * Projects > > ** Project 1 > > *** History/Overview > > *** Journals > > **** <2010-03-27 Sat> > > ***** Main thing I did 1 > > - did stuff > --snip-- First, I would suggest a different organisation. You are 5 headlines > deep, because you chose this kind of setup, but with some tweaking, you > could avoid this: > a) Give each Project an own file. > b) Don't give dates a headline. > So, you would have a file like this: > > * Project 1 > ** History/Overview > ** Journals > *** DONE Main thing I did 1 > <2010-03-27 Sat> > *** TODO Stuff 2 > *** TODO Stuff 3 > > I started this way (pro1.org, pro2.org, etc.) but found changing buffers constantly to be annoying. I much prefer them all in one place now, but am still open to changing that! I can see advantages to the one-file-per-project idea. For instance I just wrote up a paper at home and exporting to html/latex was far easier since it had the whole file to play in. I would have had a harder time getting just my paper out of a whole ' personal.org' file... Followup/claification: - what are your pro/cons for why you go one file per project vs. a big file? I know different people have different opinions on this. I believe Carsten said in at least one of his main talks on org-mode that he has on big one as does Sacha Chua who I emailed with a little and uses org-mode a ton. - The journals are not always todos. Sometimes they are just notes, but need a time stamp anyway. I can see your point of doing it that way. I burn a headline level just on the time stamp. - My main purpose of the time stamps is that I need to print my status and then double side tape it into an intellectual property notebook. I think I can do this with agenda. Side note: I wonder about putting one file vs. many files in this new 'beginner tutorial' to help new people choose a set up when first starting? Might be cool. Not to say one is better, but to at least offer what I'm looking for: experience users' input as to what is benefited from one style vs. the other and what functionality is gained/lost/tougher. > If you want to review what you did on a specific day, use the agenda for > this. For "substuff", if it is really not worth a separate task, there > are lists. > I will look into agenda more. Have not explored it's functionality much yet. Been on org-mode for about 2 weeks! > > - If not, I'm absolutely game to hear alternative work flows and how > > others manage without this feature at present! > > --- So far, I've just been making the headline a TODO and then putting > > in a [/] at the top; unordered list items that are todos also have a [ > > ] which is tracked by the top level todo. - Bonus: if this is the best > > (headline = todo and unordered lists are check boxes), how can I > > implement a shortcut to toggle the 'todo checkbox' state for unordered > > list items? It would be awesome to have a C-c C-t equivalent for > > sub-items such that they were given a checkbox! > > I do not understand, did you miss this: > ,----[ (info "(org)The very busy C-c C-c key") ] > | - If the cursor is in a plain list item with a checkbox, toggle the > | status of the checkbox. > `---- > Sorry, this is not what I meant. You answered my 'state' question in your next point with C-c C-x C-b. I know how to toggle the checkbox 'state'... I meant to toggle the state of having a checkbox... period, aka go from - item 1 to - [ ] item 1 > To make a checkbox without typing "[ ]", use C-c C-x C-b: > ,----[ (info "(org)Checkboxes") ] > | `C-c C-x C-b' > | Toggle checkbox status or (with prefix arg) checkbox presence at > | point. With double prefix argument, set it to `[-]', which is > | considered to be an intermediate state. > | - If there is an active region, toggle the first checkbox in > | the region and set all remaining boxes to the same status as > | the first. With a prefix arg, add or remove the checkbox for > | all items in the region. > | > | - If the cursor is in a headline, toggle checkboxes in the > | region between this headline and the next (so _not_ the > | entire subtree). > | > | - If there is no active region, just toggle the checkbox at > | point. > `---- > > This is what I was looking for. Dumb that I missed it. In my skimming, only the 'toggle checkbox status' descriptions were popping out to me so it seemed to be for something of a tree-level C-c C-c vs. what it actually does. Even after re-reading it, though, it seems confusing: - I don't get what a '[double] prefix arg' is. C-c C-x C-b does indeed, add a check box to an unordered list item no matter where I am on the line, but according to this, since I'm not providing a prefix argument (with C-u, right?), it should only toggle the status? But there is no 'status' so it adds? - How do I get the box to go away if I don't want it anymore? > If you need this very often, you may want to bind this to an easier > keycombo. > > Did this help so far? > > memnon > P.S. Somewhat un-related, but while taking about lists... In an unordered list like this (my todo list for today) * TODO [0/4] <2010-03-27 Sat> - floors - [ ] sweep or vacuum all hardwood - [ ] wash all hardwood - [ ] wash hardwood floors - [ ] wash kitchen floor - [ ] send envelopes via post office - [ ] vacuum back stairs and hallway If I have either - floors or - [/] floors then * TODO says [0/4] (it's only counting the sub-items under floors). If I have - [ ] floors then TODOS says [0/3] (it's counting the highest level items: floors, send, and vacuum) Aren't - [ ] send envelopes via post office - [ ] vacuum back stairs and hallway Still under the todo headline whether -floors is a checkbox or not? Shouldn't they be counted? Based on the example here ( http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/org/Checkboxes.html), I should get the behavior I expect. In fact, when yanking it into my file, I get this instead of what's shown on the tutorial page: * TODO Organize party [1/3] (instead of [3/6] - call people [1/3] - [ ] Peter - [X] Sarah - [ ] Sam - [X] order food - [ ] think about what music to play - [X] talk to the neighbors Bug or something in .emacs that I'm unaware of? Sincere thanks, John > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 9191 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. 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* Checkbox Statistics (was: Todo state for [un]ordered list items?) 2010-03-27 21:07 ` John Hendy @ 2010-03-27 22:09 ` Memnon Anon 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Memnon Anon @ 2010-03-27 22:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi, btw, it is easier to keep multiple questions in separate mails with separate subjects. Thus, more people will read and answer (easier to identify the topic, shorter so quicker to skim over etc.). John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > P.S. Somewhat un-related, but while taking about lists... In an > unordered list like this (my todo list for today) [...] > Still under the todo headline whether -floors is a checkbox or not? > Shouldn't they be counted? Based on the example here ( > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/org/Checkboxes.html), > I should get the behavior I expect. In fact, when yanking it into my > file, I get this instead of what's shown on the tutorial page: > > * TODO Organize party [1/3] (instead of [3/6] > - call people [1/3] > - [ ] Peter > - [X] Sarah > - [ ] Sam > - [X] order food > - [ ] think about what music to play > - [X] talk to the neighbors > > Bug or something in .emacs that I'm unaware of? This is not the current example: ,----[ (info "(org)Checkboxes") ] | * TODO Organize party [2/4] | - [-] call people [1/3] | - [ ] Peter | - [X] Sarah | - [ ] Sam | - [X] order food | - [ ] think about what music to play | - [X] talk to the neighbors `---- See the [-] cookie? Always use the documentation provided for your version! Orgmode is a moving quickly. Using C-h a org checkbox, I found this var: ,----[ (info "(dir)Top") ] | org-hierarchical-checkbox-statistics is a variable defined in `org-list.el'. | | Documentation: | Non-nil means, checkbox statistics counts only the state of direct children. | When nil, all boxes below the cookie are counted. | This can be set to nil on a per-node basis using a COOKIE_DATA property | with the word "recursive" in the value. `---- and in the manual ,----[ (info "(org)Checkboxes") ] | (1) Set the variable `org-hierarchical-checkbox-statistics' if you | want such cookies to represent the all checkboxes below the cookie, not | just the direct children. `---- So, for general behaviour, use (setq org-hierarchical-checkbox-statistics nil) On a file-wide basis, add something like: #+PROPERTY: COOKIE_DATA recursive On a per-headline basis, use * Task [/] :PROPERTIES: :COOKIE_DATA: recursive :END: I do not use checkboxes, but that should do. #+PROPERTY: COOKIE_DATA recursive checkbox * TODO Organize party [2/7] :PROPERTIES: :COOKIE_DATA: recursive checkbox :END: - [-] call people [1/2] - [ ] Peter - [X] Sarah - [ ] Sam - [X] order food - [ ] think about what music to play - [ ] talk to the neighbors Problem solved ;) Memnon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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