* Display missing/overlapping clock ranges @ 2011-04-13 15:44 Rainer Stengele 2011-04-13 16:28 ` Paul Mead 2011-04-19 12:28 ` Rainer Stengele 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-13 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi all! I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. If yes I have to adjust the clocks. I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these or jump to these. Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly regular holes in the ranges, for example - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) - working days (Monday to Friday for example) What do you think? -- Rainer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-13 15:44 Display missing/overlapping clock ranges Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-13 16:28 ` Paul Mead 2011-04-13 21:06 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-19 12:28 ` Rainer Stengele 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Paul Mead @ 2011-04-13 16:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: > Hi all! > > I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. > At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda > and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. > If yes I have to adjust the clocks. > > I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks > (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). > > What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over > the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? > > The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these > or jump to these. > > Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly > regular holes in the ranges, for example > > - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] > - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) > - working days (Monday to Friday for example) > > What do you think? > > -- Rainer I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important for me. Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-13 16:28 ` Paul Mead @ 2011-04-13 21:06 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-14 8:26 ` Paul Mead ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2011-04-13 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Paul Mead; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: > Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: > >> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >> >> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >> >> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >> >> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >> or jump to these. >> >> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >> regular holes in the ranges, for example >> >> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >> >> What do you think? >> >> -- Rainer > > I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as > they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely > for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a > while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important > for me. > > Paul Hi Rainer and Paul, Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring that the start and end times match over the clocking period. It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you look at the entire clocking data. The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. Maybe something like the following mock up? --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Day-agenda (W15): Wednesday 13 April 2011 todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) 10:00...... ---------------- todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: 12:00...... ---------------- 14:00...... ---------------- 16:00...... ---------------- 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 18:00...... ---------------- 20:00...... ---------------- --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Regards, Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-13 21:06 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2011-04-14 8:26 ` Paul Mead 2011-04-14 9:06 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Paul Mead @ 2011-04-14 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes: > > Hi Rainer and Paul, > > Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this > but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup > I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do > manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual > scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring > that the start and end times match over the clocking period. > > It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered > agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries > that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you > look at the entire clocking data. > > The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and > never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and > without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the > invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I > now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the > data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. > > Maybe something like the following mock up? > > Day-agenda (W15): > Wednesday 13 April 2011 > todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: > 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) > org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: > todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: > diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast > todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: > 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) > 10:00...... ---------------- > todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: > vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv > todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: > ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ > todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: > 12:00...... ---------------- > 14:00...... ---------------- > 16:00...... ---------------- > 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) > todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > 18:00...... ---------------- > 20:00...... ---------------- > > Regards, > Bernt Bernt, that's exactly how I'd envisaged the gap identification, and the overlap highlighting looks great. Paul ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-13 21:06 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-14 8:26 ` Paul Mead @ 2011-04-14 9:06 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-14 9:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bernt Hansen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Paul Mead Am 13.04.2011 23:06, schrieb Bernt Hansen: > Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: > >> Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: >> >>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >>> >>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >>> >>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >>> >>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >>> or jump to these. >>> >>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >>> regular holes in the ranges, for example >>> >>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> -- Rainer >> >> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as >> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely >> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a >> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important >> for me. >> >> Paul > > Hi Rainer and Paul, > > Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this > but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup > I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do > manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual > scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring > that the start and end times match over the clocking period. > > It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered > agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries > that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you > look at the entire clocking data. > > The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and > never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and > without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the > invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I > now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the > data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. > > Maybe something like the following mock up? > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > Day-agenda (W15): > Wednesday 13 April 2011 > todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: > 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) > org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: > todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: > diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast > todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: > 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) > 10:00...... ---------------- > todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: > vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv > todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: > ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ > todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: > 12:00...... ---------------- > 14:00...... ---------------- > 16:00...... ---------------- > 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) > todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > 18:00...... ---------------- > 20:00...... ---------------- > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > Regards, > Bernt > > Bernt, that looks very useful! Regards, Rainer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-13 21:06 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-14 8:26 ` Paul Mead 2011-04-14 9:06 ` Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele ` (2 more replies) 2 siblings, 3 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2011-04-24 15:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bernt Hansen; +Cc: Rainer Stengele, emacs-orgmode mailing list, Paul Mead On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: > Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: > >> Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: >> >>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >>> >>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >>> >>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >>> >>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >>> or jump to these. >>> >>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >>> regular holes in the ranges, for example >>> >>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >>> >>> What do you think? >>> >>> -- Rainer >> >> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as >> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely >> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a >> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important >> for me. >> >> Paul > > Hi Rainer and Paul, > > Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this > but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup > I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do > manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual > scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring > that the start and end times match over the clocking period. > > It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered > agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries > that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you > look at the entire clocking data. > > The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and > never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and > without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the > invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I > now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the > data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. > > Maybe something like the following mock up? > > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > Day-agenda (W15): > Wednesday 13 April 2011 > todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: > 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) > org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: > todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: > diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast > todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: > 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) > 10:00...... ---------------- > todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: > vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv > todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: > ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ > todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: > 12:00...... ---------------- > 14:00...... ---------------- > 16:00...... ---------------- > 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) > todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: > 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > 18:00...... ---------------- > 20:00...... ---------------- > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off log view, for example. Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues. The default value is (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00"))) which means the following: 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours, 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it to one minute or so) 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....) 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap. This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the last evening task and the first morning task. Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, but testing of this would be appreciated as well. Happy holidays! - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 22:07 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-27 11:53 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-24 23:09 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-27 12:43 ` Sébastien Vauban 2 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-24 21:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Bernt Hansen, emacs-orgmode mailing list, Paul Mead Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: > On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: > >> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: >>> >>>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >>>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >>>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >>>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >>>> >>>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >>>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >>>> >>>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >>>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >>>> >>>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >>>> or jump to these. >>>> >>>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >>>> regular holes in the ranges, for example >>>> >>>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >>>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >>>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >>>> >>>> What do you think? >>>> >>>> -- Rainer >>> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as >>> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely >>> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a >>> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important >>> for me. >>> >>> Paul >> Hi Rainer and Paul, >> >> Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this >> but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup >> I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do >> manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual >> scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring >> that the start and end times match over the clocking period. >> >> It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered >> agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries >> that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you >> look at the entire clocking data. >> >> The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and >> never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and >> without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the >> invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I >> now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the >> data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. >> >> Maybe something like the following mock up? >> >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> Day-agenda (W15): >> Wednesday 13 April 2011 >> todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: >> 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) >> org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: >> todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: >> diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast >> todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: >> 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) >> 10:00...... ---------------- >> todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: >> vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv >> todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >> todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >> ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ >> todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >> todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >> 12:00...... ---------------- >> 14:00...... ---------------- >> 16:00...... ---------------- >> 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) >> todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >> 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >> 18:00...... ---------------- >> 20:00...... ---------------- >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, > > these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, > so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. > > This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for > clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. > > The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently > displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around > with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off > log view, for example. > > Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking > information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. > > There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues. > The default value is > > (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks > '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00"))) > > which means the following: > > 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours, > 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes > (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it > to one minute or so) > 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes > (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....) > 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap. > This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the > last evening task and the first morning task. > > > Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. > Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, > but testing of this would be appreciated as well. > > Happy holidays! > > - Carsten > Hi Carsten, excellent, I already found some gaps and overlaps in last weeks work clockings! 1. I wonder how to get rif of the lunch break "gaps". Of course I could clock the lunch time as such, but I would prefer to provide my daily fixed lunch time in order to - ignore any gap occuring between start and end of "lunch time" OK I just set :gap-ok-around ("4:00" "12:30") which did what I wanted. But imagine I would have my lunch break from 12:31 to 12:55. The break would be reported as gap. I would rather have a clock range wherein anay gap would be ignored. Did I understand something wrong? 2. Maybe the fonts or the indicating strings for "gap" and "overlap" could be made configurable? I would try to make these two look differently. Thanks again! Marvelous! I will use the function daily or at least weekly! - Rainer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-24 22:07 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-27 11:53 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2011-04-24 22:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rainer Stengele; +Cc: Bernt Hansen, emacs-orgmode mailing list, Paul Mead On 24.4.2011, at 23:48, Rainer Stengele wrote: > Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: >> On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: >> >>> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >>>>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >>>>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >>>>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >>>>> >>>>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >>>>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >>>>> >>>>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >>>>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >>>>> >>>>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >>>>> or jump to these. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >>>>> regular holes in the ranges, for example >>>>> >>>>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >>>>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >>>>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> -- Rainer >>>> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as >>>> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely >>>> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a >>>> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important >>>> for me. >>>> >>>> Paul >>> Hi Rainer and Paul, >>> >>> Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this >>> but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup >>> I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do >>> manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual >>> scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring >>> that the start and end times match over the clocking period. >>> >>> It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered >>> agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries >>> that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you >>> look at the entire clocking data. >>> >>> The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and >>> never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and >>> without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the >>> invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I >>> now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the >>> data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. >>> >>> Maybe something like the following mock up? >>> >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>> Day-agenda (W15): >>> Wednesday 13 April 2011 >>> todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) >>> org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: >>> todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast >>> todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: >>> 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) >>> 10:00...... ---------------- >>> todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv >>> todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>> todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ >>> todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>> todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> 12:00...... ---------------- >>> 14:00...... ---------------- >>> 16:00...... ---------------- >>> 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) >>> todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>> 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> 18:00...... ---------------- >>> 20:00...... ---------------- >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, >> >> these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, >> so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. >> >> This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for >> clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. >> >> The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently >> displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around >> with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off >> log view, for example. >> >> Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking >> information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. >> >> There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues. >> The default value is >> >> (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks >> '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00"))) >> >> which means the following: >> >> 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours, >> 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes >> (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it >> to one minute or so) >> 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes >> (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....) >> 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap. >> This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the >> last evening task and the first morning task. >> >> >> Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. >> Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, >> but testing of this would be appreciated as well. >> >> Happy holidays! >> >> - Carsten >> > > Hi Carsten, > > excellent, I already found some gaps and overlaps in last weeks work > clockings! > > 1. I wonder how to get rif of the lunch break "gaps". Of course I could > clock the lunch time as such, > but I would prefer to provide my daily fixed lunch time in order to > - ignore any gap occuring between start and end of "lunch time" > > OK I just set > > :gap-ok-around ("4:00" "12:30") > > which did what I wanted. But imagine I would have my lunch break from 12:31 to 12:55. The break would be reported as gap. > I would rather have a clock range wherein anay gap would be ignored. > Did I understand something wrong? The idea is to pick a time that is safely in the break, like 4:00 is safely after you last work from the previous day and safely before your first work of the next day. Just pick a single time that is safely in your lunch break, for example 12:45. If you break is too irregular, then this will not work for you. But, you know, it is OK to ignore a gap warning when you know what has caused it. Tools are there the help us, not to enslave us. Good tools, anyway. > 2. Maybe the fonts or the indicating strings for "gap" and "overlap" could be made configurable? > > I would try to make these two look differently. The easiest would be to define these fonts also in the property list. I'll take a look at this. > > Thanks again! Marvelous! > I will use the function daily or at least weekly! Jup, I think checking this regularly makes sense, maybe as part of the weekly review. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 22:07 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2011-04-27 11:53 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-05-03 7:05 ` Rainer Stengele 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2011-04-27 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rainer Stengele; +Cc: Bernt Hansen, emacs-orgmode mailing list, Paul Mead On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Rainer Stengele wrote: > Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: >> On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: >> >>> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: >>>> >>>>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >>>>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >>>>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >>>>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >>>>> >>>>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >>>>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >>>>> >>>>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >>>>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >>>>> >>>>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >>>>> or jump to these. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >>>>> regular holes in the ranges, for example >>>>> >>>>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >>>>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >>>>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >>>>> >>>>> What do you think? >>>>> >>>>> -- Rainer >>>> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as >>>> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely >>>> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a >>>> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important >>>> for me. >>>> >>>> Paul >>> Hi Rainer and Paul, >>> >>> Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this >>> but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup >>> I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do >>> manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual >>> scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring >>> that the start and end times match over the clocking period. >>> >>> It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered >>> agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries >>> that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you >>> look at the entire clocking data. >>> >>> The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and >>> never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and >>> without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the >>> invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I >>> now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the >>> data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. >>> >>> Maybe something like the following mock up? >>> >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>> Day-agenda (W15): >>> Wednesday 13 April 2011 >>> todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) >>> org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: >>> todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast >>> todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: >>> 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) >>> 10:00...... ---------------- >>> todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv >>> todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>> todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ >>> todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>> todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>> 12:00...... ---------------- >>> 14:00...... ---------------- >>> 16:00...... ---------------- >>> 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) >>> todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>> 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>> 18:00...... ---------------- >>> 20:00...... ---------------- >>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, >> >> these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, >> so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. >> >> This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for >> clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. >> >> The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently >> displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around >> with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off >> log view, for example. >> >> Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking >> information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. >> >> There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues. >> The default value is >> >> (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks >> '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00"))) >> >> which means the following: >> >> 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours, >> 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes >> (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it >> to one minute or so) >> 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes >> (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....) >> 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap. >> This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the >> last evening task and the first morning task. >> >> >> Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. >> Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, >> but testing of this would be appreciated as well. >> >> Happy holidays! >> >> - Carsten >> > > Hi Carsten, > > excellent, I already found some gaps and overlaps in last weeks work > clockings! > > 1. I wonder how to get rif of the lunch break "gaps". Of course I could > clock the lunch time as such, > but I would prefer to provide my daily fixed lunch time in order to > - ignore any gap occuring between start and end of "lunch time" > > OK I just set > > :gap-ok-around ("4:00" "12:30") > > which did what I wanted. But imagine I would have my lunch break from 12:31 to 12:55. The break would be reported as gap. > I would rather have a clock range wherein anay gap would be ignored. > Did I understand something wrong? > > > 2. Maybe the fonts or the indicating strings for "gap" and "overlap" could be made configurable? This is now the case. for example (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00") :default-face ((:background "Red")) :gap-face ((:background "green"))) Cheers - Carsten > > I would try to make these two look differently. > > Thanks again! Marvelous! > I will use the function daily or at least weekly! > > - Rainer > > > > > > - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-27 11:53 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2011-05-03 7:05 ` Rainer Stengele 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Rainer Stengele @ 2011-05-03 7:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Bernt Hansen, emacs-orgmode mailing list, Paul Mead Dear Carsten, yesterday I found some time to check all my clockings starting from the begining of the year. With the help of the agenda gaps and overlaps indication I found quite some faults in my clockings. I found the functions to be very helpful! Org is becoming more useful all the time! Thanks again for implementing! Maybe you could now implement some function telling me what I did in the clocking gaps ... :-) Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards Rainer Stengele __|___ | Dipl. Inf. (Univ.) 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Am 27.04.2011 13:53, schrieb Carsten Dominik: > On Apr 24, 2011, at 11:48 PM, Rainer Stengele wrote: > >> Am 24.04.2011 17:30, schrieb Carsten Dominik: >>> On 13.4.2011, at 23:06, Bernt Hansen wrote: >>> >>>> Paul Mead <paul.d.mead@gmail.com> writes: >>>> >>>>> Rainer Stengele <rainer.stengele@diplan.de> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. >>>>>> At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda >>>>>> and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. >>>>>> If yes I have to adjust the clocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks >>>>>> (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). >>>>>> >>>>>> What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over >>>>>> the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? >>>>>> >>>>>> The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these >>>>>> or jump to these. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly >>>>>> regular holes in the ranges, for example >>>>>> >>>>>> - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] >>>>>> - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) >>>>>> - working days (Monday to Friday for example) >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Rainer >>>>> I'd defintely use something which identified the gaps and overlaps as >>>>> they're taking some time to find now that I have to account more closely >>>>> for my time! I've been considering whether to raise this for a >>>>> while. The 'regular holes' idea is good to, although not as important >>>>> for me. >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>> Hi Rainer and Paul, >>>> >>>> Locating gaps would be useful. I've been meaning to investigate this >>>> but haven't spent any time on it yet. With my current clocking setup >>>> I've found I get very few holes. Checking the times is a task I do >>>> manually just before billing for my time. I currently just use a visual >>>> scan of the daily agenda(s) including clocking lines displayed ensuring >>>> that the start and end times match over the clocking period. >>>> >>>> It should be possible to automate the check. How should a filtered >>>> agenda be handled? I expect you'd want to see the gaps for the entries >>>> that are filtered away otherwise it's only really meaningful when you >>>> look at the entire clocking data. >>>> >>>> The major problem I used to have was clocks that would be opened and >>>> never closed. These were bad because they count as 0 minutes and >>>> without fixing those entries I don't bill for that time. Since the >>>> invention of M-x org-resolve-clocks (which runs everytime I clock in) I >>>> now find these open clocks quickly and don't need to reconstruct the >>>> data a week later. I haven't had this problem in a long time. >>>> >>>> Maybe something like the following mock up? >>>> >>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>>> Day-agenda (W15): >>>> Wednesday 13 April 2011 >>>> todo: 7:09- 7:11 Clocked: (0:02) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>>> 7:11- 8:00 - Gap -> (0:49) >>>> org: 8:00- 8:12 Clocked: (0:12) DONE Try to fix this bug :ORG:WORK:tuning:: >>>> todo: 8:12- 8:26 Clocked: (0:14) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>>> diary: 8:26- 9:06 Clocked: (0:40) Breakfast >>>> todo: 9:06- 9:30 Clocked: (0:24) Task A :PERSONAL:: >>>> 9:30-10:58 - Gap -> (1:28) >>>> 10:00...... ---------------- >>>> todo: 10:58-11:11 Clocked: (0:13) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>>> vvv ------ Overlap ------ vvv >>>> todo: 11:11-11:12 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>>> todo: 11:10-11:14 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>>> ^^^ ------ Overlap ------ ^^^ >>>> todo: 11:14-11:15 Clocked: (0:01) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>>> todo: 11:15-11:16 Clocked: (0:01) Organization :PERSONAL:: >>>> 12:00...... ---------------- >>>> 14:00...... ---------------- >>>> 16:00...... ---------------- >>>> 11:16-16:33 - Gap -> (5:17) >>>> todo: 16:33...... Clocked: (-) Read Mail and News :PERSONAL:: >>>> 16:43...... now - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - >>>> 18:00...... ---------------- >>>> 20:00...... ---------------- >>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >>> Hi Bernt, Rainer, Paul, >>> >>> these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, >>> so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. >>> >>> This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for >>> clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. >>> >>> The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently >>> displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around >>> with "f" and "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off >>> log view, for example. >>> >>> Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking >>> information, I believe this makes it more direct and useful. >>> >>> There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues. >>> The default value is >>> >>> (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks >>> '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00"))) >>> >>> which means the following: >>> >>> 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours, >>> 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes >>> (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it >>> to one minute or so) >>> 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes >>> (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....) >>> 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap. >>> This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the >>> last evening task and the first morning task. >>> >>> >>> Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. >>> Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, >>> but testing of this would be appreciated as well. >>> >>> Happy holidays! >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> excellent, I already found some gaps and overlaps in last weeks work >> clockings! >> >> 1. I wonder how to get rif of the lunch break "gaps". Of course I could >> clock the lunch time as such, >> but I would prefer to provide my daily fixed lunch time in order to >> - ignore any gap occuring between start and end of "lunch time" >> >> OK I just set >> >> :gap-ok-around ("4:00" "12:30") >> >> which did what I wanted. But imagine I would have my lunch break from 12:31 to 12:55. The break would be reported as gap. >> I would rather have a clock range wherein anay gap would be ignored. >> Did I understand something wrong? >> >> >> 2. Maybe the fonts or the indicating strings for "gap" and "overlap" could be made configurable? > This is now the case. for example > > (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks > '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00") > :default-face ((:background "Red")) :gap-face ((:background "green"))) > > Cheers > > - Carsten > > >> I would try to make these two look differently. >> >> Thanks again! Marvelous! >> I will use the function daily or at least weekly! >> >> - Rainer >> >> >> >> >> >> > - Carsten > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-24 23:09 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-27 12:43 ` Sébastien Vauban 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Bernt Hansen @ 2011-04-24 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Rainer Stengele, emacs-orgmode mailing list, Paul Mead Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes: > these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, > so I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. > > > Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. > Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, > but testing of this would be appreciated as well. Thanks Carsten! I'll take a closer look at this on Tuesday when I'm back in the office. My initial reaction is it's *awesome*! :) Best Regards, Bernt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 23:09 ` Bernt Hansen @ 2011-04-27 12:43 ` Sébastien Vauban 2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2011-04-27 12:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ Hi Carsten and all, Carsten Dominik wrote: > these are pretty good ideas, and since it is a holiday, I have some time, so > I have tried an implementation and just pushed it to the master. > > This introduces a new key in the agenda, "v c", which will check for > clocking issues and display them in a similar way as Bernt proposes. > > The whole thing works like log view, so it applies to the currently > displayed span in the agenda, and it sticks if you move around with "f" and > "b". To get out of this view, press "l" to turn off log view, for example. > > Also, it is a special log view in that it only shows clocking information, I > believe this makes it more direct and useful. > > There is a variable to configure what constitutes clocking issues. The > default value is > > (setq org-agenda-clock-consistency-checks > '(:max-duration "10:00" :min-duration 0 :max-gap "0:05" :gap-ok-around ("4:00"))) > > which means the following: > > 1. Report any clocking chunks that are longer than 10 hours, > 2. Report clocking chunks that are shorter than 0 minutes > (so this could be used to find short clocks, by setting it > to one minute or so) > 3. Report gaps in the clocking, if the gap is larger than 5 minutes > (should than be called :min-gap? I am confused....) First, I would choose "min-gap". But, then, if we look carefully, what you describe are conditions for being reported: - max duration allowed; if not, report it - min duration allowed; if not, report it - max gap allowed; if not, report it - ... So, in this case, "max" makes more sense than "min". > 4. If the time 4am falls into a large gap, do not report the gap. > This is to avoid the spurious reporting of gaps between the > last evening task and the first morning task. > > Testing and feedback would be much appreciated. Great feature! Missed it for long... > Also, it is not really useful to use this on a filtered agenda view, > but testing of this would be appreciated as well. Works perfect. --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- 2011-04-27 Wed ______________________________________________________ 8:00...... Work: 9:08- 9:27 Clocked: (0:19) TODO Organize work Work: 9:27-11:42 Clocked: (2:15) TODO Read email and news 10:00...... Work: 11:42-12:22 Clocked: (0:40) TODO Organize work 12:00...... No end time Work: 13:29...... Clocked: (-) TODO Organize work --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- Two remarks: - I would add another space in front of both strings ("No end time" and "Time gap"), as they are well highlighted with the fonts customs - I think I would put "No end time" after the task line, not before. Thanks a lot! Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Display missing/overlapping clock ranges 2011-04-13 15:44 Display missing/overlapping clock ranges Rainer Stengele 2011-04-13 16:28 ` Paul Mead @ 2011-04-19 12:28 ` Rainer Stengele 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Rainer Stengele @ 2011-04-19 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw) Cc: emacs-orgmode Am 13.04.2011 17:44, schrieb Rainer Stengele: > Hi all! > > I do clock every task I work on during the whole day. > At the end of the day or week I have to go over all clock entries in my agenda > and see if there are holes or overlappings in my clock tables. > If yes I have to adjust the clocks. > > I read Bernt Hansen's comments on how he works with clocks > (http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html#Clocking). > > What about a function showing the lacking clock ranges over > the day while being in the agenda with log mode on? > > The function could even check for overlapping clock ranges and indicate these > or jump to these. > > Maybe it would even be good to be able to configure daily and weekly > regular holes in the ranges, for example > > - daily lunch time from [12:00]--[13:00] > - week end days (maybe with diary syntax) > - working days (Monday to Friday for example) > > What do you think? > > -- Rainer > > > Hi again, I just "rediscovered" the wonderful C-c C-x C-d (org-clock-display) command to show subtree times in the whole buffer. How could I miss that, being an "old" org user ... Anyway, I browsed a bit through my headlines and found some huge times. Digging deeper I found some "runaway" clocks exceeding several days, one even over more than a year. As I do not review all org files for such errors, I would be interested in - finding all clock times longer than x hours (for example 12 hours - I never clock over night) - find all clock times clocking "in the weekend" (Saturday, Sunday) - finding all clock times lower than y minutes (for example 15 minutes) Are theree any already included functions in Org helping me do that? Best, - Rainer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
end of thread, other threads:[~2011-05-03 7:05 UTC | newest] Thread overview: 13+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed -- links below jump to the message on this page -- 2011-04-13 15:44 Display missing/overlapping clock ranges Rainer Stengele 2011-04-13 16:28 ` Paul Mead 2011-04-13 21:06 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-14 8:26 ` Paul Mead 2011-04-14 9:06 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 15:30 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-24 21:48 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 22:07 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-04-27 11:53 ` Carsten Dominik 2011-05-03 7:05 ` Rainer Stengele 2011-04-24 23:09 ` Bernt Hansen 2011-04-27 12:43 ` Sébastien Vauban 2011-04-19 12:28 ` Rainer Stengele
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