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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 dsmasterson@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org,  michel@schi.nz,
	 59882@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:35:32 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvfsdi6or0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmcmt8cc.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Wed, 14 Dec 2022 13:37:07 +0000")

> similar issues with several important Org components (ol-* and ob-*). In
> particular, ob-*.el packages affect Org simply by defining function
> symbols with specific name patters (by ob-core.el design).
> Achieving no side effects is difficult in practice.

That's true.  It can be a balancing act.

> Also, note that side effects are not uncommon in Elisp packages.
> Including, built-ins, like rect.el.
> dired+ comes to mind among popular third-party packages.

Most of them are plain bugs, tho (typically fixed by introducing an
autoloaded minor-mode, so the package is activated by enabling the
minor mode rather than by `require`ing the package).

>     Like I said in another message that I sent just before receiving yours
>     my conclusion came from the fact that hitting 'C-h v' with the cursor
>     on 'org-goto-interface' provided nothing.  It was the first time this
>     ever happened to me.  I did try to explicitly enter the variable's
>     name by entering 'org-goto<TAB>', which (like 'org-go<TAB>') is not
>     enough: it is completed to 'org--goto'.

AFAICT this is a missing feature: we obey `help-enable-autoload` in
`describe-function` but we fail to do the same autoloading dance in
`describe-variable`.


        Stefan



  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-14 14:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-06  2:50 Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem David Masterson
2022-12-06  5:36 ` tomas
2022-12-06  7:04   ` David Masterson
2022-12-07 13:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08  3:27   ` David Masterson
2022-12-08  7:16     ` David Masterson
2022-12-08  7:26       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 18:24         ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 19:31           ` Michel Schinz
2022-12-08 21:56             ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 22:56               ` Tim Cross
2022-12-09  5:00                 ` David Masterson
2022-12-09  6:56                   ` Tim Cross
2022-12-09 15:49                     ` Sharon Kimble
2022-12-10 20:38                 ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-09  7:17               ` bug#59882: " Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-09  7:43                 ` David Masterson
2022-12-09 11:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-09 19:40                   ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-09 19:51                     ` David Masterson
2022-12-09 20:27                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-10 14:01                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14  9:51                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14 12:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-14 13:37                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14 14:35                       ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2022-12-14 16:02                         ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-15  4:17                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-15  4:56                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-16 12:36                             ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-16 14:47                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-18 15:24                                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-18 15:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-06 16:09                                     ` Max Nikulin
2023-04-06 21:25                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-19  4:20                                         ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-25  9:48                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-25 11:46                                     ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-26  8:44                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 11:01                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 12:25                                           ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-27  9:47                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-27  9:56                                               ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-03 11:02                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-03 12:15                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-03 20:01                                                   ` Tim Cross
2023-02-14 22:53                                                     ` Gregor Zattler
2023-02-16 12:14                                                       ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-21  5:22                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-21 12:32                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-21 17:26                                                             ` Bhavin Gandhi
2023-02-22 10:48                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-22 16:58                                                                 ` Bhavin Gandhi
2023-02-23  9:35                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-06 15:02                                                   ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-14 14:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 21:49                   ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-09 19:47               ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-08 21:50           ` Cook, Malcolm
     [not found]     ` <87o7se74bf.fsf@penguin>
2022-12-08  7:19       ` David Masterson
2022-12-08  9:10     ` Ihor Radchenko

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