From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: dsmasterson@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, michel@schi.nz,
59882@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:59:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83359innsp.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edt2qpoa.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:51:01 +0000)
> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
> Cc: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org,
> michel@schi.nz, 59882@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:51:01 +0000
>
> On a related note, is it normal that package like org-mouse.el gets
> loaded upon calling C-h f org-mouse- <TAB> completion prompt?
> org-mouse.el does not contain a single autoload cookie.
I think it's expected, because the doc strings need to be loaded.
Stefan, am I right?
> I am asking because org-mouse.el advises some functions and its loading
> may cause unexpected consequences. See
> https://orgmode.org/list/87r0x6sju1.fsf@fastmail.fm
I think org-mouse.el should be fixed not to cause such effects just by
loading it. It should do that only when it is actually used.
> At the same time, we have users complaining about some defcustoms not
> being available without loading.
> https://orgmode.org/list/25496.19258.682537.503614@gargle.gargle.HOWL
That's too vague: it talks about "whether a variable exists", which is
ambiguous. That a variable is not boundp until its definition is
loaded is perfectly expected, and I don't think defcustom changes that
in any way (unless you autoload the defcustom, which is considered not
the best style around here).
So I guess some clarification is in order: what exactly was the
problem with that variable being "nonexistent"?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-12-14 13:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-06 2:50 Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem David Masterson
2022-12-06 5:36 ` tomas
2022-12-06 7:04 ` David Masterson
2022-12-07 13:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 3:27 ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 7:16 ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 7:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-08 18:24 ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 19:31 ` Michel Schinz
2022-12-08 21:56 ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 22:56 ` Tim Cross
2022-12-09 5:00 ` David Masterson
2022-12-09 6:56 ` Tim Cross
2022-12-09 15:49 ` Sharon Kimble
2022-12-10 20:38 ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-09 7:17 ` bug#59882: " Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-09 7:43 ` David Masterson
2022-12-09 11:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-09 19:40 ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-09 19:51 ` David Masterson
2022-12-09 20:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-10 14:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14 9:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14 12:59 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-12-14 13:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-14 14:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 16:02 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-15 4:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-15 4:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-16 12:36 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-16 14:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-18 15:24 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-18 15:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-06 16:09 ` Max Nikulin
2023-04-06 21:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2023-04-19 4:20 ` Tom Gillespie
2022-12-25 9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-25 11:46 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-26 8:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 11:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-26 12:25 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-27 9:47 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-12-27 9:56 ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-03 11:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-03 12:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-03 20:01 ` Tim Cross
2023-02-14 22:53 ` Gregor Zattler
2023-02-16 12:14 ` Max Nikulin
2023-02-21 5:22 ` Richard Stallman
2023-02-21 12:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-02-21 17:26 ` Bhavin Gandhi
2023-02-22 10:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-02-22 16:58 ` Bhavin Gandhi
2023-02-23 9:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-04-06 15:02 ` Max Nikulin
2022-12-14 14:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-14 21:49 ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-09 19:47 ` Cook, Malcolm
2022-12-08 21:50 ` Cook, Malcolm
[not found] ` <87o7se74bf.fsf@penguin>
2022-12-08 7:19 ` David Masterson
2022-12-08 9:10 ` Ihor Radchenko
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