* Feature in org-move-item-down @ 2007-03-17 3:15 Mike Newman 2007-03-18 7:11 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Mike Newman @ 2007-03-17 3:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from subsequent text). So given - a test - b test - c test test with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives - a test - c test - b test test Thanks -- Mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down 2007-03-17 3:15 Feature in org-move-item-down Mike Newman @ 2007-03-18 7:11 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-03-19 3:26 ` Mike Newman 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-18 7:11 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mike Newman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote: > It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the > preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from > subsequent text). > > So given > > - a test > - b test > - c test > > test > > with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives > - a test > - c test > > - b test > test The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end before the empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case: - a test - b test - c test If I now move "b" up, I get - b test - a test - c test I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you know one, I would be interested. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down 2007-03-18 7:11 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-19 3:26 ` Mike Newman [not found] ` <b71b18520703182004s36dc1102ibef10f215b135fb0@mail.gmail.com> 2007-03-19 5:20 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Mike Newman @ 2007-03-19 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode The manual (section 2.8) says "Indentation also determines the end of a list item. It ends before the next line that is indented like the bullet/number, or less." I think that a blank line has 0 indentation, therefore (by this logic) it should end a list item. Clearly a blank line cannot start a list item, so it must end a list. I think the question is whether list items can contain blank lines. This may be established practice, but it was not what I was expecting. Thanks Mike On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:11:08 +0100 Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > > On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote: > > > It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the > > preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from > > subsequent text). > > > > So given > > > > - a test > > - b test > > - c test > > > > test > > > > with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives > > - a test > > - c test > > > > - b test > > test > > > The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end > before the > empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case: > > - a test > > - b test > > - c test > > If I now move "b" up, I get > > - b test > - a test > > > - c test > > I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you > know one, I would be interested. > > - Carsten > -- Mike ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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* Fwd: Feature in org-move-item-down [not found] ` <b71b18520703182004s36dc1102ibef10f215b135fb0@mail.gmail.com> @ 2007-03-19 3:22 ` Eddward DeVilla 2007-03-19 12:13 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-03-19 3:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Once again, it hit reply instead of reply-all. Edd ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Eddward DeVilla <eddward@gmail.com> Date: Mar 18, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Feature in org-move-item-down To: Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk> I sometimes have blank lines in list items. I have lists do visibility cycling like headings and use them as light weight headings. One thing I've found is that empty lines seem to be after an item and not a part. Blank lines, with whitespace characters in them seem to be a part of the item. I use it and tend to like it. I need to turn on a setting to make such blank but not empty lines a little easier to spot. If the behavior would change, I'd probably need to change how I do thing and maybe use heading more. Edd On 3/18/07, Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk> wrote: > The manual (section 2.8) says > > "Indentation also determines the end of a list item. It ends before the next line that is indented like the bullet/number, or less." > > I think that a blank line has 0 indentation, therefore (by this logic) > it should end a list item. Clearly a blank line cannot start a list > item, so it must end a list. > > I think the question is whether list items can contain blank lines. > This may be established practice, but it was not what I was expecting. > > Thanks > > Mike > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:11:08 +0100 > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote: > > > > > It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the > > > preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from > > > subsequent text). > > > > > > So given > > > > > > - a test > > > - b test > > > - c test > > > > > > test > > > > > > with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives > > > - a test > > > - c test > > > > > > - b test > > > test > > > > > > The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end > > before the > > empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case: > > > > - a test > > > > - b test > > > > - c test > > > > If I now move "b" up, I get > > > > - b test > > - a test > > > > > > - c test > > > > I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you > > know one, I would be interested. > > > > - Carsten > > > > > -- > Mike > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down 2007-03-19 3:22 ` Fwd: " Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-03-19 12:13 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-19 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eddward DeVilla; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Mar 19, 2007, at 4:22, Eddward DeVilla wrote: > Once again, it hit reply instead of reply-all. > > Edd > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Eddward DeVilla <eddward@gmail.com> > Date: Mar 18, 2007 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Feature in org-move-item-down > To: Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk> > > > I sometimes have blank lines in list items. I have lists do > visibility cycling like headings and use them as light weight > headings. One thing I've found is that empty lines seem to be after > an item and not a part. Blank lines, with whitespace characters in > them seem to be a part of the item. If at all, this may make a difference in visibility cycling (and then only in Emacs 21), certainly not in the items. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down 2007-03-19 3:26 ` Mike Newman [not found] ` <b71b18520703182004s36dc1102ibef10f215b135fb0@mail.gmail.com> @ 2007-03-19 5:20 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-03-19 7:37 ` Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-19 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Mike Newman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Mar 19, 2007, at 4:26, Mike Newman wrote: > The manual (section 2.8) says > > "Indentation also determines the end of a list item. It ends before > the next line that is indented like the bullet/number, or less." Yes, you are right, I am treating an empty line as a line with a large indentation. Suppose I did what you suggest, treating it as a line with no indentation: - one - two - two a - two b - two c - three Now "- three" will not be treated as third item in the list started by "- one", but it will be starting a new list... Whatever I do, this is very fragile, and I would have to require to never put any empty line between items. What we have now is at least stable. I agree that making empty lines always close all levels of items would be another stable implementation. Hmmmmmm. - Carsten > > I think that a blank line has 0 indentation, therefore (by this logic) > it should end a list item. Clearly a blank line cannot start a list > item, so it must end a list. > > I think the question is whether list items can contain blank lines. > This may be established practice, but it was not what I was expecting. > > Thanks > > Mike > > On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:11:08 +0100 > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > >> >> On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote: >> >>> It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the >>> preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from >>> subsequent text). >>> >>> So given >>> >>> - a test >>> - b test >>> - c test >>> >>> test >>> >>> with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives >>> - a test >>> - c test >>> >>> - b test >>> test >> >> >> The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end >> before the >> empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case: >> >> - a test >> >> - b test >> >> - c test >> >> If I now move "b" up, I get >> >> - b test >> - a test >> >> >> - c test >> >> I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you >> know one, I would be interested. >> >> - Carsten >> > > > -- > Mike > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down 2007-03-19 5:20 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-19 7:37 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2007-03-19 7:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > I agree that making empty lines always close all levels of items would > be another stable implementation. Hmmmmmm. I think the current implementation is okay, leaving the possibility for list items to contain empty lines. Great for long list items, and more publishing-oriented org files. Regards, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 7+ messages in thread
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