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From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
To: Maxim Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Yet another browser extension for capturing notes - LinkRemark
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2022 18:03:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcAo8vH8fTonJXb0uGW8be6onoWi9AnxP_1YyNr+2DC1P2KGw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJcAo8ux+Bezp=tv3gCjcrNrE_5m40amh9yoeU44+ac7t4vtVw@mail.gmail.com>

my amazon example was silly and confusing.  the point isn't shopping
for something; it's anything.  science papers, news outlets, nerd
blogs.

On 1/16/22, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
> more below.
>
> On 12/26/20, Maxim Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 26/12/2020, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>
>>> [... i can imagine great things possible with such extensions. for
>>> example, you could have sets of tabs, selected by right click in
>>> firefox, to save to a bunch of org entries.  then you could load that
>>> particular set of entries into firefox whenever you want.  and you
>>> could keep notes on each page and move the entries wherever you want.
>>> this would be useful for such things as "i am researching rice
>>> cookers; these are my tabs, but i don't want them cluttering firefox
>>> and i want them with my org notes and to make notes on them and will
>>> re-load them into firefox when i want to revisit".]
>>
>> It should be possible since some tab management extension were used in
>> mozilla to evaluate if webextensions are mature enough and if support of
>> XUL add-ons could be dropped. On the other hand do not expect such
>> feature soon. A kind of semi-blocker is absence of automatic tests to
>> run before every release, and it will require a lot of time.
>
> interesting.  i do note tab selection features in recent firefox-esr
> and i was just assuming something like that.
>
>>
>> In the meanwhile, have you looked at the following comment?
>> https://github.com/sprig/org-capture-extension/issues/12#issuecomment-323569334
>> alphapapa commented Aug 20, 2017
>>
>>> You can do this with the "Copy all URLs" extension (ID:
>>> djdmadneanknadilpjiknlnanaolmbfk). Use this as the custom format (note
>>> the linebreak):
>>>
>>> [[$url][$title]]
>>
>> I am almost sure that similar extension should exist for Firefox as well.
>
> i think this is for copying all tabs, not selected ones.  so a
> workaround for my idea would be to have a fresh firefox window
> dedicated to rice cookers and then save them all.  bit it does not
> save over existing canonical location for each url or similar.
>
> which would be needed for my idea so as to not have duplicates etc.
>
> also i think this extension does not exist any more in firefox.  i
> used to use it for storing as org links.  but it was just to store
> links in case firefox screwed up session restore.  which it usually
> does.  for that purpose, i use one that does not save as orglinks.
>
>>
>> Some points should be clarified in my opinion
>>
>> - Do you expect that metadata should be captured in addition to URLs and
>> titles? Browsers can unload some tabs making page content unavailable.
>
> i wouldn't need this i think.  i'd want page title, just as in
> ordinary org links, but in principle that can be assumed from the
> existing org entry if exists, and if not exists and you are capturing,
> the page is already loaded.  so i think not a metadata issue.
>
>> - Are you going to capture reviews of "rice cookers" that could be
>> considered as ordinary pages or you are going to save items from online
>> stores? I do not current state of affairs but I have heard about some
>> activity for special metadata that allows search engines to display
>> products in a special way. Could you inspect head element of pages in
>> your favorite stores contains desired metadata using page source or
>> inspect element tools?
>
> my web knowledge is too limited to understand your question, but i am
> just hoping it would capture ordinary amazon links, review sites, and
> so on.  and i never use js if i can avoid it so i'm expecting pretty
> normal website stuff i think.  so i'm flexible.
>
> [of course, amazon per se links might need cleaning or uniquification
> of some type for finding the version in org maybe, or maybe for
> improving privacy by removing amazon's data about you in the url, but
> that might not even need any special amazon link knowledge.
> [fanciness might look for the amazon id, if implementer willing or
> somethign exists for that.]]
>
>> - Should tab group be captured as single Org heading or it should be a
>> tree with a section per tab? I am not sure that capture will have no
>> problem with subtree. Certainly Emacs interface for org-protocol +
>> capture are not suitable for sending each tab as a separate link.
>> Another option is to create nested lists, anyway org formatter in my
>> extension need improvements. Are you expecting headings subtree or
>> nested lists?
>
> the status quo is that there is nothing, so using lists would be a
> huge improvement and work great.  but fanciness by using org sections
> if poss [i assume this means header and metadata and content and maybe
> descendents] could be more flexible.
>
>>
>>> [now if i can only debug the extra-blank-lines-in-capture problem.]
>>
>> Fully agree that it is really annoying. It is among high priority items
>> in my TODO list.
>
> we might be talking about different thinks.  i am referring to
> something in org that adds blank lines when my particular org capture
> templates are used.  i think it is outside all of the hooks that are
> available for org capture so not fixable using those.
>
> recent org might fix it dunno.  i am limited in coputer use so i have
> not tried to debug it further.  just delete the extra lines.
>
>>
>> Accidentally I pressed =C-x C-o= and discovered
>> [[help:delete-blank-lines]] innerText is not exactly the same as
>> selection range toString but the rules could work in a similar way.
>> Table rows, floating and absolutely positioned elements require
>> newlines. Such elements are often abused by designers.
>> https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/dom.html#dom-innertext
>
> web stuff is above my knowledge and so i think maybe different things
> we are talking about.
>
>>
>>
>>
>
> you would still keep notes on each thing and org metadata.
>
> then you load all links in an org subtree or list, or all with a
> :firefox: tag, into firefox.  one question is making sure there is a
> canonical place for each topic.  [rice cookers, a research topic,
> etc.]
>
> metadata snags like you mention are best figured out by those who
> undertstand them unlike myself and i'd be flexible.  i'd be pleased
> with anything i think.  i don't need metadata most of the time, just
> link and page title.  this is all just an idea for cogitation.
>
> tldr you'd have a set of canonical tabs that is in org and sometimes
> in firefox as you please.  you can keep org notes on the org links and
> they won't be overwritten when you save from firefox.  you also won't
> create duplicates when you do so.
>


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  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-18  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-25 12:44 Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-25 14:19 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-26 11:49   ` Maxim Nikulin
2020-12-26 13:49     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-27 12:18       ` Maxim Nikulin
2021-11-18 17:01       ` LinkRemark Firefox extension approved for addons.mozilla.org Max Nikulin
2020-12-25 14:26 ` Yet another browser extension for capturing notes - LinkRemark Russell Adams
2020-12-25 22:11   ` Samuel Wales
2020-12-26  9:16     ` Maxim Nikulin
2022-01-17  2:29       ` Samuel Wales
2022-01-18  1:03         ` Samuel Wales [this message]
2022-01-18  5:43           ` Samuel Banya
2022-01-18 10:57             ` Max Nikulin
2022-01-18 10:34         ` Max Nikulin
2022-01-19  3:28           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-19  8:45             ` András Simonyi
2022-01-19 10:00               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-19 10:58                 ` András Simonyi
2022-01-19 11:42                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-20  0:23             ` Samuel Wales
2022-01-20 12:16               ` Org mode and firefox tabs (feature request) Max Nikulin

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