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From: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>
To: "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com>,
	"Org Mode List" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	"András Simonyi" <andras.simonyi@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [org-cite, oc-csl] print_bibliography options
Date: Sat, 29 May 2021 12:03:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF-FPGNmRVHNHRbSteU+pOc9m-ovwjAu4YRCw_fDL_SecEvEqA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wnrhzi3o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>

On Sat, May 29, 2021 at 11:15 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> Bibliography is printed using "\printbibliography" command.  Additional
> >> options may be passed to it through a property list attached to the
> >> "print_bibliography" keyword.  E.g.,
> >>
> >>    #+print_bibliography: :section 2 :heading subbibliography
>
> > I don't believe citeproc-el currently supports any of these features,
> > and it looks like the citeproc-el API doesn't even have an optional
> > parameter to put details like these.
> >
> > As a consequence, if one adds an example like the above, so that one
> > has two print_bibliography lines, one will get two, duplicate
> > bibliography lists outside of oc-biblatex.
>
> I don't understand how you reach that consequence… If the citation
> processor does not understand the properties, it simply ignores them,
> but obeys to "print_bibliography" directive anyhow.
>
> Have you tried it? I'm not sure to understand your concern.

Yes.

I think we're saying the same thing, but maybe I need to clarify the
implications better?

See below.

Let me illustrate with a full example, where the @einstein entry has a
"keyword" field of "primary."

The use case is a user wanting a bibliography with two sections, which
is a common case for this feature.

Note that I am unsure of the exact invocation to achieve this with
biblatex (as in, it's probably wrong), but I don't think that matters
to illustrate the point.

>>>>>
#+language: en
#+bibliography: test.bib
#+cite_export: csl

1. simple: [cite:@latexcompanion]
2. primary source: [cite:@einstein]
3. affixes: [cite/text:see @latexcompanion chapter 2 p.23]
4. quote, punctuation: “my quote” [cite/text/caps:@latexcompanion].

* Bibliography
** Primary Sources
#+print_bibliography: :keyword primary :title "Primary Sources"
** Secondary Sources
#+print_bibliography: :title "Secondary Source"
<<<<<

Here's the output from oc-csl:

>>>>>
1. simple: (Goossens, Mittelbach, and Samarin 1993)
2. primary source: (Einstein 1905)
3. affixes: (see Goossens, Mittelbach, and Samarin 1993, chaps. 2 p.23)
4. quote, punctuation: “my quote” (Goossens, Mittelbach, and Samarin
   1993).


1 Bibliography
══════════════

1.1 Primary Sources
───────────────────

  Einstein, Albert. 1905. “Zur Elektrodynamik Bewegter Körper. (German)
  [on the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies].” /Annalen Der Physik/ 322
  (10):891–921.

  Goossens, Michel, Frank Mittelbach, and Alexander Samarin. 1993. /The
  LaTeX Companion/. Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley.


1.2 Secondary Sources
─────────────────────

  Einstein, Albert. 1905. “Zur Elektrodynamik Bewegter Körper. (German)
  [on the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies].” /Annalen Der Physik/ 322
  (10):891–921.

  Goossens, Michel, Frank Mittelbach, and Alexander Samarin. 1993. /The
  LaTeX Companion/. Reading, Massachusetts: Addison-Wesley.
<<<<<

So two duplicate lists.

Does that clarify?

The other common case I am familiar with is a bibliography per section
of a document.

It may not be practical to do anything other than current behavior,
but I was hoping some biblatex experts might have some thoughts.

And, of course, wanting to flag this for András to think about, since
ideally citeproc-el would support this.

Bruce


  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-29 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-18 15:13 [wip-cite-new] Initial implementation of `biblatex' citation processor Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-18 18:40 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20  7:22   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-05-20 10:38     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 10:03 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 10:43   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 12:33     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 13:44       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-19 13:50         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 14:31         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 14:46           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 15:23           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20  8:04             ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 10:36               ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 11:56                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 11:59                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 13:24                   ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 13:07                 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 13:22                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 13:56                     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 14:11                       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 14:29                         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 15:14                           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 17:06                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 21:51                           ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 22:37                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-05-20 22:51                               ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-21  0:07                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-05-21 13:38                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 13:08                 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 17:15               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 21:54                 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-21 13:29                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 14:32             ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 13:00 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-21 11:49 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-21 13:13   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-21 13:25     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-25 14:30       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-26 20:04         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-29 14:44 ` [org-cite, oc-csl] print_bibliography options Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-29 15:15   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-29 16:03     ` Bruce D'Arcus [this message]
2021-05-29 16:30       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-31 18:10         ` András Simonyi
2021-05-31 21:54           ` Bruce D'Arcus

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