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From: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
To: Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org>
Cc: org-mode-email <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Initial implementation of `biblatex' citation processor
Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 17:23:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mtsq3fy1.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52aade3f-3e8e-bd56-109e-c6cfd9254915@mailbox.org> (Denis Maier's message of "Wed, 19 May 2021 16:31:02 +0200")

Denis Maier <denismaier@mailbox.org> writes:
> In that case, I'd think that note/bare => footcitecite isn't
> a particular good fit. Footcitetext puts the citation in a footnote,
> just that it doesn't print a footnote mark in a running text.
> (This is useful in cases where the regular footnote mechanism in LaTeX
> doesn't work, e.g. in headings or tables. In these cases you' can
> place the mark manually with \footnotemark, and later you specify the
> text with \footnotetext, or in that case with \footcitetext.)

OK, I'll remove it.

What about also removing \footcite altogether? We could simply
automatically wrap the citation in a inline footnote before exporting
the document. No need for a special command.

Org already handles footnotes in headings and tables, so there may be no
need to footcitetext either…

> Regarding:
>> | locators  | bare      | notecite     |
>> | locators  | caps      | Pnotecite    |
>> | locators  | bare-caps | Notecite     |
>> | locators  |           | pnotecite    |
>
> fnotecite should be added.

Under what style/variant combination?

>> One problem is there is no "\cite", or "\parencite". I though they would
>> make a good fit for the default style, "\cite" being the "bare" variant
>> of "\parencite", and "\autocite" could be moved to a "auto" style. I'm
>> not sure where to put \cite, then.
>
> Why not just add a cite/parens style?

OK.

> \cite could be [cite/bare: ...]

This would be confusing. So far, "bare" is a style variant. Your
suggestion promotes it exceptionally to a full-fledged style. It hurts
my logic. :)

Could "\cite" be [cite/parens/bare:...] instead?

> Regarding \autocite being the default:
> I think one strong argument in favor of this is that people may want
> to switch between different citation export processors. So if you
> typeset your article with latex you may want to use biblatex. But if
> the journal accepts submissions only as docx files you'll have to
> switch to a CSL-based citeproc. Here, the default is to wrap the
> citation either in a footnote or in parentheses, depending on the
> style.
> So, to ensure portability of documents across export systems [cite:
> @doe] should give similar results with different systems, and I think 
> \autocite would be the best choice. (By the way, it's also the way
> pandoc implements this.)

Users can disregard any default style chosen by the processor. If
I write:

  #+cite_export: biblatex whatever text

all [cite:...] objects will create \textcite commands, no matter what
the processor thinks about it.

So, an hypothetical

  #+cite_export: biblatex foo auto

could also turn all [cite:...] into \autocite commands and the document
would be portable.

The default processor style for citations is to be understood as
a fall-back style, not necessarily as "the style associated to
[cite:...]".

Anyway, I don't have a strong opinion about autocite being the default.
If it makes sense and we can put \cite elsewhere, let's use that.

Regards,


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-05-19 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-18 15:13 Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-18 18:40 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20  7:22   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-05-20 10:38     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 10:03 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 10:43   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 12:33     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 13:44       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-19 13:50         ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 14:31         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 14:46           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-19 15:23           ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2021-05-20  8:04             ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 10:36               ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 11:56                 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 11:59                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 13:24                   ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 13:07                 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 13:22                   ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 13:56                     ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 14:11                       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 14:29                         ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 15:14                           ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-20 17:06                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 21:51                           ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 22:37                             ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-05-20 22:51                               ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-21  0:07                                 ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-05-21 13:38                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 13:08                 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-20 17:15               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 21:54                 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-21 13:29                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-20 14:32             ` Denis Maier
2021-05-19 13:00 ` Denis Maier
2021-05-21 11:49 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-21 13:13   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-21 13:25     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-25 14:30       ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-26 20:04         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-29 14:44 ` [org-cite, oc-csl] print_bibliography options Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-29 15:15   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-29 16:03     ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-05-29 16:30       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-05-31 18:10         ` András Simonyi
2021-05-31 21:54           ` Bruce D'Arcus

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