* epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs
@ 2010-10-28 14:35 Eric Schulte
2010-10-28 14:55 ` Richard Riley
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0 siblings, 5 replies; 29+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 14:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode; +Cc: Tom Tromey, Phil Hagelberg
Hi,
Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey.
It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as
the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent
didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it
so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to
structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display
elements.
This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not
"mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for
running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of
use to people here. If you're interested check out the example
presentation included in the source code repository.
http://github.com/eschulte/epresent
(instructions in the README)
Best -- Eric
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 14:35 epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 14:55 ` Richard Riley 2010-10-28 19:01 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2010-10-28 17:53 ` Jambunathan K ` (3 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Richard Riley @ 2010-10-28 14:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > > Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. > It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as > the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent > didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it > so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to > structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display > elements. > > This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not > "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for > running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of > use to people here. If you're interested check out the example > presentation included in the source code repository. > > http://github.com/eschulte/epresent > (instructions in the README) If anyone missed it, there is also emacs-muse-slidy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/arciniegas/5108022392/ That is very impressive. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 14:55 ` Richard Riley @ 2010-10-28 19:01 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2010-10-28 22:41 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-28 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: > "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > >> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. >> It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as >> the display engine. [...] >> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >> (instructions in the README) > > If anyone missed it, there is also emacs-muse-slidy. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/arciniegas/5108022392/ > > That is very impressive. Not bad. But there is org-s5 too. http://github.com/sigma/org-s5 -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 19:01 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-28 22:41 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-29 6:17 ` Łukasz Stelmach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: > Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: > >> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. >>> It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as >>> the display engine. > [...] >>> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >>> (instructions in the README) >> >> If anyone missed it, there is also emacs-muse-slidy. >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/arciniegas/5108022392/ >> >> That is very impressive. > > Not bad. But there is org-s5 too. > > http://github.com/sigma/org-s5 Oh cool, this is the first I've seen of S5 or org-S5. I think I'll probably stick with Beamer export for my serious presentations, but I like the idea and simplicity of being to run simple presentations directly from within Emacs. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 22:41 ` Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-29 6:17 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2010-10-29 11:08 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-29 6:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: > >> Richard Riley <rileyrg@googlemail.com> writes: >> >>> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. >>>> It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as >>>> the display engine. >> [...] >>>> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >>>> (instructions in the README) >>> >>> If anyone missed it, there is also emacs-muse-slidy. >>> >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/arciniegas/5108022392/ >>> >>> That is very impressive. >> >> Not bad. But there is org-s5 too. >> >> http://github.com/sigma/org-s5 > > Oh cool, this is the first I've seen of S5 or org-S5. If you check the latest beta of S5 (not org-s5) there is even cooler feature. You can open a separete window with notes (<div class="notes"/> how to export a :NOTES: drwer into a div?) and *timers*, so it is quite comfortable for a real dual head set up. > I think I'll probably stick with Beamer export for my serious > presentations, but I like the idea and simplicity of being to run simple > presentations directly from within Emacs. S5 and other HTML slide show frameworks have (at least) one great advantage over Beamer, one can embed (there are at least two ways) SVG image, which is quite hard with LaTeX/Beamer duo (is there any command-line tool to convert SVG to EPS/PDF?) -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-29 6:17 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-29 11:08 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-10-29 13:14 ` Łukasz Stelmach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2010-10-29 11:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: > [...] > S5 and other HTML slide show frameworks have (at least) one great > advantage over Beamer, one can embed (there are at least two ways) SVG > image, which is quite hard with LaTeX/Beamer duo (is there any > command-line tool to convert SVG to EPS/PDF?) > -- > Miłego dnia, > Łukasz Stelmach ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many formats including EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind you, so this is based on the documentation. Specifically, : identify -list format on my system says: : SVG SVG rw+ Scalable Vector Graphics (RSVG 2.26.0) which means it can read and write SVG format images. eric Footnotes: [1] http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-29 11:08 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2010-10-29 13:14 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2010-10-29 14:19 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-29 13:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: > >> [...] > >> S5 and other HTML slide show frameworks have (at least) one great >> advantage over Beamer, one can embed (there are at least two ways) SVG >> image, which is quite hard with LaTeX/Beamer duo (is there any >> command-line tool to convert SVG to EPS/PDF?) > > ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many formats including > EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind you, so this is > based on the documentation. > I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap first, and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to EPS/PDF. ImageMagick is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-29 13:14 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-29 14:19 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-11-01 22:47 ` Christian Moe 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2010-10-29 14:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: > Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > >> ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many formats including >> EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind you, so this is >> based on the documentation. >> > > I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap first, > and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to EPS/PDF. ImageMagick > is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an issue (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a very valid point. Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. Thanks, eric -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-29 14:19 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2010-11-01 22:47 ` Christian Moe 2010-11-02 10:40 ` Rainer M Krug 2010-11-02 17:51 ` Tom Short 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2010-11-01 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, emacs-orgmode Re: converting SVG 1. Prince (http://www.princexml.com) does SVG to PDF as vector graphics from the command line, very nicely. Too bad it's proprietary. e.g. : prince drawing.svg drawing.pdf 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result is rasterized. e.g. : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path --export-eps=drawing.eps drawing.svg From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and Prince a 20 KB PDF. Cheers, Christian On 10/29/10 4:19 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > Łukasz Stelmach<lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: > >> Eric S Fraga<ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes: >> >>> ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many formats including >>> EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind you, so this is >>> based on the documentation. >>> >> >> I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap first, >> and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to EPS/PDF. ImageMagick >> is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. > > Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an issue > (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a very valid > point. > > Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. > > Thanks, > eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-01 22:47 ` Christian Moe @ 2010-11-02 10:40 ` Rainer M Krug 2010-11-02 11:25 ` Christian Moe 2010-11-02 17:51 ` Tom Short 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2010-11-02 10:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mail; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2352 bytes --] On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com>wrote: > Re: converting SVG > Have you looked at rsvg (http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/)? I am not sure if it uses vector for pdf, but it might be worth a try? Cheers, Rainer > > 1. Prince (http://www.princexml.com) does SVG to PDF as vector graphics > from the command line, very nicely. Too bad it's proprietary. > > e.g. > > : prince drawing.svg drawing.pdf > > 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result is > rasterized. > > e.g. > > : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path --export-eps=drawing.eps > drawing.svg > > From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and Prince a > 20 KB PDF. > > Cheers, > Christian > > > > On 10/29/10 4:19 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > >> Łukasz Stelmach<lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes: >> >> Eric S Fraga<ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> writes: >>> >>> ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many formats including >>>> EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind you, so this is >>>> based on the documentation. >>>> >>>> >>> I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap first, >>> and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to EPS/PDF. ImageMagick >>> is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. >>> >> >> Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an issue >> (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a very valid >> point. >> >> Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. >> >> Thanks, >> eric >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!! Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Natural Sciences Building Office Suite 2039 Stellenbosch University Main Campus, Merriman Avenue Stellenbosch South Africa Cell: +27 - (0)83 9479 042 Fax: +27 - (0)86 516 2782 Fax: +49 - (0)321 2125 2244 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug Google: R.M.Krug@gmail.com [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 3962 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-02 10:40 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2010-11-02 11:25 ` Christian Moe 2010-11-02 13:19 ` Rainer M Krug 2010-11-02 14:20 ` Nick Dokos 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2010-11-02 11:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rainer M Krug; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode Hi, the librsvg man page says PNG and JPEG raster formats only. CM On 11/2/10 11:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com > <mailto:mail@christianmoe.com>> wrote: > > Re: converting SVG > > > Have you looked at rsvg (http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/)? > > I am not sure if it uses vector for pdf, but it might be worth a try? > > Cheers, > > Rainer > > > 1. Prince (http://www.princexml.com) does SVG to PDF as vector > graphics from the command line, very nicely. Too bad it's proprietary. > > e.g. > > : prince drawing.svg drawing.pdf > > 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result > is rasterized. > > e.g. > > : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path > --export-eps=drawing.eps drawing.svg > > >From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and > Prince a 20 KB PDF. > > Cheers, > Christian > > > > On 10/29/10 4:19 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > Łukasz Stelmach<lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl > <mailto:lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl>> writes: > > Eric S Fraga<ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk <mailto:ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk>> > writes: > > ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many > formats including > EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind > you, so this is > based on the documentation. > > > I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap > first, > and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to > EPS/PDF. ImageMagick > is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. > > > Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an > issue > (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a > very valid > point. > > Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. > > Thanks, > eric > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org <mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > > -- > NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!! > > Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation > Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) > > Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology > Natural Sciences Building > Office Suite 2039 > Stellenbosch University > Main Campus, Merriman Avenue > Stellenbosch > South Africa > > Cell: +27 - (0)83 9479 042 > Fax: +27 - (0)86 516 2782 > Fax: +49 - (0)321 2125 2244 > email: Rainer@krugs.de <mailto:Rainer@krugs.de> > > Skype: RMkrug > Google: R.M.Krug@gmail.com <mailto:R.M.Krug@gmail.com> > -- Christian Moe E-mail: mail@christianmoe.com Website: http://christianmoe.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-02 11:25 ` Christian Moe @ 2010-11-02 13:19 ` Rainer M Krug 2010-11-02 14:20 ` Nick Dokos 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Rainer M Krug @ 2010-11-02 13:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mail; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/02/2010 12:25 PM, Christian Moe wrote: > Hi, > > the librsvg man page says PNG and JPEG raster formats only. Unless I have completely misunderstood these two formats, they are raster formats - consequently, svg (vector) has to be converted to raster. Cheers, Rainer > > CM > > On 11/2/10 11:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com >> <mailto:mail@christianmoe.com>> wrote: >> >> Re: converting SVG >> >> >> Have you looked at rsvg (http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/)? >> >> I am not sure if it uses vector for pdf, but it might be worth a try? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Rainer >> >> >> 1. Prince (http://www.princexml.com) does SVG to PDF as vector >> graphics from the command line, very nicely. Too bad it's >> proprietary. >> >> e.g. >> >> : prince drawing.svg drawing.pdf >> >> 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result >> is rasterized. >> >> e.g. >> >> : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path >> --export-eps=drawing.eps drawing.svg >> >> >From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and >> Prince a 20 KB PDF. >> >> Cheers, >> Christian >> >> >> >> On 10/29/10 4:19 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: >> >> Łukasz Stelmach<lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl >> <mailto:lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl>> writes: >> >> Eric S Fraga<ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk <mailto:ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk>> >> writes: >> >> ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many >> formats including >> EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind >> you, so this is >> based on the documentation. >> >> >> I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap >> first, >> and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to >> EPS/PDF. ImageMagick >> is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. >> >> >> Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an >> issue >> (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a >> very valid >> point. >> >> Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. >> >> Thanks, >> eric >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org <mailto:Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> >> >> >> -- >> NEW GERMAN FAX NUMBER!!! >> >> Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation >> Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) >> >> Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology >> Natural Sciences Building >> Office Suite 2039 >> Stellenbosch University >> Main Campus, Merriman Avenue >> Stellenbosch >> South Africa >> >> Cell: +27 - (0)83 9479 042 >> Fax: +27 - (0)86 516 2782 >> Fax: +49 - (0)321 2125 2244 >> email: Rainer@krugs.de <mailto:Rainer@krugs.de> >> >> Skype: RMkrug >> Google: R.M.Krug@gmail.com <mailto:R.M.Krug@gmail.com> >> > > - -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Natural Sciences Building Office Suite 2039 Stellenbosch University Main Campus, Merriman Avenue Stellenbosch South Africa Tel: +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +27 - (0)8 39 47 90 42 Fax (SA): +27 - (0)8 65 16 27 82 Fax (D) : +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 Fax (FR): +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkzQD/YACgkQoYgNqgF2egrXBwCePSE1PWJokXadeR0Pd4h6u11q LxoAoItPkz/Azs/fXTpypCRByZSVMXmZ =u073 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-02 11:25 ` Christian Moe 2010-11-02 13:19 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2010-11-02 14:20 ` Nick Dokos 2010-11-02 20:05 ` Christian Moe 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2010-11-02 14:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mail Cc: =?UTF-8?B?xYF1a2FzeiBTdGVsbWFjaA==?=, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode, nicholas.dokos, Rainer M Krug Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> wrote: > Hi, > > the librsvg man page says PNG and JPEG raster formats only. > > CM > > On 11/2/10 11:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com > > <mailto:mail@christianmoe.com>> wrote: > > > > Re: converting SVG > > > > > > Have you looked at rsvg (http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/)? > > > > I am not sure if it uses vector for pdf, but it might be worth a try? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Rainer > > > > > > 1. Prince (http://www.princexml.com) does SVG to PDF as vector > > graphics from the command line, very nicely. Too bad it's proprietary. > > > > e.g. > > > > : prince drawing.svg drawing.pdf > > > > 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result > > is rasterized. > > > > e.g. > > > > : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path > > --export-eps=drawing.eps drawing.svg > > > > >From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and > > Prince a 20 KB PDF. > > > > Cheers, > > Christian > > > > > > > > On 10/29/10 4:19 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > > > Łukasz Stelmach<lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl > > <mailto:lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl>> writes: > > > > Eric S Fraga<ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk <mailto:ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk>> > > writes: > > > > ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many > > formats including > > EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind > > you, so this is > > based on the documentation. > > > > > > I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap > > first, > > and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to > > EPS/PDF. ImageMagick > > is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. > > > > > > Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an > > issue > > (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a > > very valid > > point. > > > > Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. > > > > Thanks, > > eric > > > > > > The batik svg rasteriser page http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/tools/rasterizer.html says: This page describes the features of the SVG Rasterizer utility that comes with the Batik distribution. The SVG Rasterizer is a utility that can convert SVG files to a raster format. The tool can convert individual files or sets of files, making it easy to convert entire directories of SVG files. The provided formats are JPEG, PNG and TIFF, however the design allows new formats to be added easily. In addition, the rasterizer can (despite its name) transcode to PDF. I haven't used it at all, but that last sentence is suggestive. Maybe it fits the bill? HTH, Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-02 14:20 ` Nick Dokos @ 2010-11-02 20:05 ` Christian Moe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2010-11-02 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: nicholas.dokos Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode, Rainer M Krug Hi, Yes, I can confirm batik-rasterizer, despite the name, made nice vector-based PDF from SVG. Thanks, Nick. So that's two options now, Inkscape and Batik. Enough noise from me on this, I think. Yours, Christian On 11/2/10 3:20 PM, Nick Dokos wrote: > Christian Moe<mail@christianmoe.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> the librsvg man page says PNG and JPEG raster formats only. >> >> CM >> >> On 11/2/10 11:40 AM, Rainer M Krug wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Christian Moe<mail@christianmoe.com >>> <mailto:mail@christianmoe.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Re: converting SVG >>> >>> >>> Have you looked at rsvg (http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/)? >>> >>> I am not sure if it uses vector for pdf, but it might be worth a try? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Rainer >>> >>> >>> 1. Prince (http://www.princexml.com) does SVG to PDF as vector >>> graphics from the command line, very nicely. Too bad it's proprietary. >>> >>> e.g. >>> >>> : prince drawing.svg drawing.pdf >>> >>> 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result >>> is rasterized. >>> >>> e.g. >>> >>> : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path >>> --export-eps=drawing.eps drawing.svg >>> >>> > From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and >>> Prince a 20 KB PDF. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/29/10 4:19 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: >>> >>> Łukasz Stelmach<lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl >>> <mailto:lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl>> writes: >>> >>> Eric S Fraga<ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk<mailto:ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk>> >>> writes: >>> >>> ImageMagick [1] will convert from/to SVG to/from many >>> formats including >>> EPS. I've not tried any conversions with SVG, mind >>> you, so this is >>> based on the documentation. >>> >>> >>> I'll check it, but I'm afraid it does render SVG as bitmap >>> first, >>> and then "converts", or rather encapsulates, it to >>> EPS/PDF. ImageMagick >>> is a bitmap manipulation tool after all. >>> >>> >>> Very true. For presentations, this may not be that much of an >>> issue >>> (given the resolution of many data projectors)... but it's a >>> very valid >>> point. >>> >>> Do let us know if you find a vector based converter. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> eric >>> >>> >>> > > The batik svg rasteriser page > > http://xmlgraphics.apache.org/batik/tools/rasterizer.html > > says: > > This page describes the features of the SVG Rasterizer utility > that comes with the Batik distribution. The SVG Rasterizer is a > utility that can convert SVG files to a raster format. The tool > can convert individual files or sets of files, making it easy to > convert entire directories of SVG files. The provided formats > are JPEG, PNG and TIFF, however the design allows new formats to > be added easily. In addition, the rasterizer can (despite its > name) transcode to PDF. > > I haven't used it at all, but that last sentence is suggestive. Maybe it > fits the bill? > > HTH, > Nick > > > -- Christian Moe E-mail: mail@christianmoe.com Website: http://christianmoe.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-01 22:47 ` Christian Moe 2010-11-02 10:40 ` Rainer M Krug @ 2010-11-02 17:51 ` Tom Short 2010-11-02 19:40 ` Christian Moe 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Tom Short @ 2010-11-02 17:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: mail; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> wrote: > Re: converting SVG > > 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result is > rasterized. > > e.g. > > : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path --export-eps=drawing.eps > drawing.svg > > From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and Prince a 20 > KB PDF. What features does Inkscape rasterize? I just tried a sample file, and I don't see any rasterization. What takes up room in my test file is embedded font information. - Tom ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-11-02 17:51 ` Tom Short @ 2010-11-02 19:40 ` Christian Moe 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2010-11-02 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tom Short; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Eric S Fraga, emacs-orgmode Correction: Inkscape /does/ convert SVG to EPS with vector format. Of course. It also does really nice vector export to PDF. Apologies all round (and to the nice people at Inkscape in particular), and thanks to Tom Short for setting me straight. I was fooled by a test drawing that was exported with "fallback" raster images as well as vector graphics. My viewer (Preview) apparently showed them and not the scalable vector version. The fallback images account for the file size I got (I had no text, hence no embedded fonts), and for the pixellated edges when I scaled up the image. (This turned out to be fixable by just opening the EPS in Emacs and cutting out all the fallback images. That also removed transparent parts and gradients.) I think maybe the use of transparency, which EPS does not support (or am I wrong about that too?) was the reason I saw raster images in the first place. A simple SVG circle was exported to EPS with no fallback. More on the options here: http://inkscape.modevia.com/inkscape-man.html Yours, Christian On 11/2/10 6:51 PM, Tom Short wrote: > On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Christian Moe<mail@christianmoe.com> wrote: >> Re: converting SVG >> >> 2. Ask Inkscape -- it's free software; unfortunately, the result is >> rasterized. >> >> e.g. >> >> : inkscape --without-gui --export-text-to-path --export-eps=drawing.eps >> drawing.svg >> >> From a sample 52 KB SVG file, Inkscape gives me a 420 KB EPS and Prince a 20 >> KB PDF. > > What features does Inkscape rasterize? I just tried a sample file, and > I don't see any rasterization. What takes up room in my test file is > embedded font information. > > - Tom > -- Christian Moe E-mail: mail@christianmoe.com Website: http://christianmoe.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 14:35 epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs Eric Schulte 2010-10-28 14:55 ` Richard Riley @ 2010-10-28 17:53 ` Jambunathan K 2010-10-28 22:40 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-28 19:02 ` Łukasz Stelmach ` (2 subsequent siblings) 4 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jambunathan K @ 2010-10-28 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: Tom Tromey, Org Mode, Phil Hagelberg "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > > Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. > It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as > the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent > didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it > so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to > structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display > elements. > > This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not > "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for > running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of > use to people here. If you're interested check out the example > presentation included in the source code repository. > > http://github.com/eschulte/epresent > (instructions in the README) > I think (require 'org-exp) is required. Looks like it walks you through the headline one at a time and presents the entry contents as such. When I get to the equations slide what should I expect to see? The equation fully rendered (as in text books) or just the markup (as it is literally typed). Jambunathan K. > Best -- Eric > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 17:53 ` Jambunathan K @ 2010-10-28 22:40 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-29 2:01 ` Jambunathan K 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jambunathan K; +Cc: Tom Tromey, Org Mode, Phil Hagelberg Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes: > "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > >> Hi, >> >> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. >> It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as >> the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent >> didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it >> so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to >> structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display >> elements. >> >> This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not >> "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for >> running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of >> use to people here. If you're interested check out the example >> presentation included in the source code repository. >> >> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >> (instructions in the README) >> > > I think (require 'org-exp) is required. > do you know what for? > > Looks like it walks you through the headline one at a time and > presents the entry contents as such. > yes > > When I get to the equations slide what should I expect to see? The > equation fully rendered (as in text books) or just the markup (as it is > literally typed). > I see an image overlay of the latex fragment. Is that not what you see? > > Jambunathan K. > >> Best -- Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 22:40 ` Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-29 2:01 ` Jambunathan K 2010-10-29 4:27 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Jambunathan K @ 2010-10-29 2:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: Tom Tromey, Org Mode, Phil Hagelberg "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes: > >> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. >>> It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as >>> the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent >>> didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it >>> so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to >>> structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display >>> elements. >>> >>> This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not >>> "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for >>> running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of >>> use to people here. If you're interested check out the example >>> presentation included in the source code repository. >>> >>> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >>> (instructions in the README) >>> >> >> I think (require 'org-exp) is required. >> > > do you know what for? > This is the trace I got otherwise. (See the trace at the end of the mail) >> >> Looks like it walks you through the headline one at a time and >> presents the entry contents as such. >> > > yes > And it fontifies the headlines in bold fonts just as in slides (actually too big for my NetBook). Yesterday when I did a quick run the presentation was insipid and I didn't get to see the big slide-like fonts. Honestly, I was a bit surprised at why others were wowing. I ran the presentation today right after also doing a C-c C-e d (for verifying Thomas' bug report on LaTeX internal links) and I see the altered behaviour. I do think it is pretty impressive. I think loading the org-latex.el makes this difference. >> >> When I get to the equations slide what should I expect to see? The >> equation fully rendered (as in text books) or just the markup (as it is >> literally typed). >> > > I see an image overlay of the latex fragment. Is that not what you see? > No I don't see any overlays. I will investigate the problem sometime later. Possible that it has something to do with ltxpng or missing image libraries. Jambunathan K. 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(save-restriction (let (beg end at msg) (cond ... ... ...) (message msg "") (narrow-to-region beg end) (goto-char beg) (org-format-latex ... default-directory ... msg at ... ...) (message msg "done. Use `C-c C-c' to remove images."))) (save-excursion (save-restriction (let ... ... ... ... ... ... ...))) org-preview-latex-fragment(16) (let ((org-format-latex-options ...)) (org-preview-latex-fragment 16)) (let ((delay-mode-hooks t)) (org-mode) (setq major-mode (quote epresent-mode)) (setq mode-name "EPresent") (progn (if ... ...) (unless ... ...) (let ... ...)) (use-local-map epresent-mode-map) (set-syntax-table epresent-mode-syntax-table) (setq local-abbrev-table epresent-mode-abbrev-table) (text-scale-adjust 0) (text-scale-adjust epresent-text-scale) (setq org-inline-image-overlays t) (setq org-src-fontify-natively t) (let (...) (org-preview-latex-fragment 16)) (add-to-invisibility-spec (quote ...)) (org-remove-flyspell-overlays-in (point-min) (point-max)) (epresent-fontify)) (progn (make-local-variable (quote delay-mode-hooks)) (let (...) (org-mode) (setq major-mode ...) (setq mode-name "EPresent") (progn ... ... ...) (use-local-map epresent-mode-map) (set-syntax-table epresent-mode-syntax-table) (setq local-abbrev-table epresent-mode-abbrev-table) (text-scale-adjust 0) (text-scale-adjust epresent-text-scale) (setq org-inline-image-overlays t) (setq org-src-fontify-natively t) (let ... ...) (add-to-invisibility-spec ...) (org-remove-flyspell-overlays-in ... ...) (epresent-fontify))) (delay-mode-hooks (org-mode) (setq major-mode (quote epresent-mode)) (setq mode-name "EPresent") (progn (if ... ...) (unless ... ...) (let ... ...)) (use-local-map epresent-mode-map) (set-syntax-table epresent-mode-syntax-table) (setq local-abbrev-table epresent-mode-abbrev-table) (text-scale-adjust 0) (text-scale-adjust epresent-text-scale) (setq org-inline-image-overlays t) (setq org-src-fontify-natively t) (let (...) (org-preview-latex-fragment 16)) (add-to-invisibility-spec (quote ...)) (org-remove-flyspell-overlays-in (point-min) (point-max)) (epresent-fontify)) epresent-mode() epresent-run() call-interactively(epresent-run t nil) execute-extended-command(nil) call-interactively(execute-extended-command nil nil) >> >> Jambunathan K. >> >>> Best -- Eric >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-29 2:01 ` Jambunathan K @ 2010-10-29 4:27 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-29 4:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jambunathan K; +Cc: Tom Tromey, Org Mode, Phil Hagelberg Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes: > "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > >> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. >>>> It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as >>>> the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent >>>> didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it >>>> so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to >>>> structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display >>>> elements. >>>> >>>> This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not >>>> "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for >>>> running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of >>>> use to people here. If you're interested check out the example >>>> presentation included in the source code repository. >>>> >>>> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >>>> (instructions in the README) >>>> >>> >>> I think (require 'org-exp) is required. >>> >> >> do you know what for? >> > > This is the trace I got otherwise. (See the trace at the end of the mail) > Thanks, It's now requiring org-exp and org-latex. > >>> >>> Looks like it walks you through the headline one at a time and >>> presents the entry contents as such. >>> >> >> yes >> > > And it fontifies the headlines in bold fonts just as in slides (actually > too big for my NetBook). > in newer Emacs C-- and C-+ should be usable to adjust the font sizes. > > Yesterday when I did a quick run the presentation was insipid and I > didn't get to see the big slide-like fonts. Honestly, I was a bit > surprised at why others were wowing. > > I ran the presentation today right after also doing a C-c C-e d (for > verifying Thomas' bug report on LaTeX internal links) and I see the > altered behaviour. I do think it is pretty impressive. > > I think loading the org-latex.el makes this difference. > >>> >>> When I get to the equations slide what should I expect to see? The >>> equation fully rendered (as in text books) or just the markup (as it is >>> literally typed). >>> >> >> I see an image overlay of the latex fragment. Is that not what you see? >> > > No I don't see any overlays. I will investigate the problem sometime > later. Possible that it has something to do with ltxpng or missing image > libraries. > hmm, this uses the same machinery used to display latex previews in regular Org-mode buffers (callable with C-c C-x C-l), so if that works this should work, and vice versa, but I believe this does require some special commands be available on your system (e.g. dvipng). Best -- Eric > > Jambunathan K. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 14:35 epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs Eric Schulte 2010-10-28 14:55 ` Richard Riley 2010-10-28 17:53 ` Jambunathan K @ 2010-10-28 19:02 ` Łukasz Stelmach 2010-10-28 20:16 ` Scot Becker 2010-10-28 19:29 ` Sébastien Vauban 2010-10-28 20:30 ` Eric S Fraga 4 siblings, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-28 19:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. > It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as > the display engine. [...] > http://github.com/eschulte/epresent > (instructions in the README) I am preparing a talk about org-mode. I've decided to use org-s5 but I'm starting to hesitate :-) -- Miłego dnia, Łukasz Stelmach ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 19:02 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-28 20:16 ` Scot Becker 2010-10-28 21:55 ` Christopher Allan Webber 2010-10-28 22:42 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Scot Becker @ 2010-10-28 20:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 3137 bytes --] Eric, This is cool and very useful. Thanks. This must be Zeitgeist-y because I was thinking about preparing presentations in Emacs this week. Then I saw slidy, now this and s5. Here's a further idea, to see what people think. Do you think it would be possible to make a temporary org-mode display configuration to display org-mode-written presentations (similar to epresent) without leaving org mode, and leaving the displayed slides editable? I once saw a video of someone doing a live presentation on something Emacs-y and he did the presentation by typing headlines, lists and detail in a clean Emacs buffer as he went along, similar to the way that some teachers might write out subject headings or outlines on the chalkboard or overhead projector as they lecture. I liked this a lot. As I see it, for less formal presentation situations, it lets you annotate and record class discussions discussions. It also lets the talk proceed in a less scripted manner: you can for example re-work the problem on the fly according to the way the group has defined it in the moment, not only according to the way you planned it at home. But doing it on the fly means that you don't have any of the advantages of typical slide-style presentations: an outline to prompt you, important figures, tables and visuals already there, links, detail, and the rest, pre-assembled. I've wondered whether org mode might not be a nice vehicle to combine these things. For example, you create your script (just like in Eric's ' present.org'), but instead of showing in a custom display mode, you actually tweak the display parameters of org-mode itself to look slide-like (no stars, bigger fonts for titles, invisible /markup characters/, etc.), and then display the slides by displaying each top level subtree in a narrowed buffer one at a time. You add key bindings for moving back and forth, even perhaps a temporary minor mode for single key frame navigation that you could go in and out of (vi-like, I suppose). This way you'd be in (a slightly modified) org mode all the time, and could edit as you go, using all the structural features of org mode, and at the end you'd have a neat record of the way the lecture actually went, that you could distribute as you wish. Can anyone think why this might not be doable? Scot 2010/10/28 Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> > "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > > > Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. > > It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as > > the display engine. > [...] > > http://github.com/eschulte/epresent > > (instructions in the README) > > I am preparing a talk about org-mode. I've decided to use org-s5 but > I'm starting to hesitate :-) > > -- > Miłego dnia, > Łukasz Stelmach > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 4003 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 20:16 ` Scot Becker @ 2010-10-28 21:55 ` Christopher Allan Webber 2010-10-28 22:30 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-28 22:42 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 29+ messages in thread From: Christopher Allan Webber @ 2010-10-28 21:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Scot Becker; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, emacs-orgmode Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> writes: > I once saw a video of someone doing a live presentation on something > Emacs-y and he did the presentation by typing headlines, lists and > detail in a clean Emacs buffer as he went along, similar to the way > that some teachers might write out subject headings or outlines on the > chalkboard or overhead projector as they lecture. I liked this a > lot. As I see it, for less formal presentation situations, it lets you > annotate and record class discussions discussions. It also lets the > talk proceed in a less scripted manner: you can for example re-work > the problem on the fly according to the way the group has defined it > in the moment, not only according to the way you planned it at home. > > But doing it on the fly means that you don't have any of the > advantages of typical slide-style presentations: an outline to prompt > you, important figures, tables and visuals already there, links, > detail, and the rest, pre-assembled. I usually do something in-between this at my talks: I just have an orgmode file that I typed up a brief outline of my talk that I plan to give inside, along with src code snippets, links, whatever. This often works well for a highly technical audience I find. However, yeah, I've also been interested in a less nerdy presentation route myself... s5? One of these others? There seem to be a lot of good options these days. :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 21:55 ` Christopher Allan Webber @ 2010-10-28 22:30 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Allan Webber; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, emacs-orgmode Christopher Allan Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org> writes: > > However, yeah, I've also been interested in a less nerdy presentation > route myself... s5? One of these others? There seem to be a lot of > good options these days. :) > and here I've been specifically looking for nerdier presentation options :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 20:16 ` Scot Becker 2010-10-28 21:55 ` Christopher Allan Webber @ 2010-10-28 22:42 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 22:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Scot Becker; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, emacs-orgmode Hi Scot, Scot Becker <scot.becker@gmail.com> writes: > Eric, > > This is cool and very useful. Thanks. > Thanks, it was fun to work on. Also, most of the cool functionality already existed in Tom's original version, I just rebased it against Org-mode. > > This must be Zeitgeist-y because I was thinking about preparing > presentations in Emacs this week. Then I saw slidy, now this and s5. > > Here's a further idea, to see what people think. Do you think it would be > possible to make a temporary org-mode display configuration to display > org-mode-written presentations (similar to epresent) without leaving org > mode, and leaving the displayed slides editable? > > I once saw a video of someone doing a live presentation on something Emacs-y > and he did the presentation by typing headlines, lists and detail in a clean > Emacs buffer as he went along, similar to the way that some teachers might > write out subject headings or outlines on the chalkboard or overhead > projector as they lecture. I liked this a lot. As I see it, for less formal > presentation situations, it lets you annotate and record class discussions > discussions. It also lets the talk proceed in a less scripted manner: you > can for example re-work the problem on the fly according to the way the > group has defined it in the moment, not only according to the way you > planned it at home. > > But doing it on the fly means that you don't have any of the advantages of > typical slide-style presentations: an outline to prompt you, important > figures, tables and visuals already there, links, detail, and the rest, > pre-assembled. > There is always the option of just upping the font size of a full screen Emacs buffer. In the past I've recorded macros which 1) widen 2) org-get-next-sibling 3) org-narrow-to-subtree or 1) widen 2) org-get-last-sibling 3) org-narrow-to-subtree and have found those nearly sufficient for giving a live editable presentation in Org-mode. > > I've wondered whether org mode might not be a nice vehicle to combine > these things. For example, you create your script (just like in > Eric's ' present.org'), but instead of showing in a custom display > mode, you actually tweak the display parameters of org-mode itself to > look slide-like (no stars, bigger fonts for titles, invisible /markup > characters/, etc.), and then display the slides by displaying each top > level subtree in a narrowed buffer one at a time. You add key > bindings for moving back and forth, even perhaps a temporary minor > mode for single key frame navigation that you could go in and out of > (vi-like, I suppose). > > This way you'd be in (a slightly modified) org mode all the time, and could > edit as you go, using all the structural features of org mode, and at the > end you'd have a neat record of the way the lecture actually went, that you > could distribute as you wish. > > Can anyone think why this might not be doable? > That does seem eminently doable, and I think that epresent could be a good jumping off point, all that should be required is changing epresent from a major to a minor mode (although that may not be required since it inherits from Org-mode) and moving some of the key-bindings behind less invasive key-bindings. That said I definitely do not have the time to build upon or even really support this code, so you'll be on your own in the implementation (although I'll be happy to help in terms of answering questions). Cheers -- Eric > > Scot > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 14:35 epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs Eric Schulte ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2010-10-28 19:02 ` Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-10-28 19:29 ` Sébastien Vauban 2010-10-28 22:43 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-29 4:41 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-28 20:30 ` Eric S Fraga 4 siblings, 2 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-10-28 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ Hi Eric, "Eric Schulte" wrote: > Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. It's a > very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as the display > engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent didn't work with > Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it so that it runs off > of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to structure the presentation > and to handle most of the fancy display elements. > > This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not > "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for > running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of use to > people here. If you're interested check out the example presentation > included in the source code repository. > > http://github.com/eschulte/epresent > (instructions in the README) Just a typo in README: present.org, instead of presentation.org. Quite promising for the rest, really! Thanks once again, for all add-ons you provide us with... On the glitches side: - some titles are truncated because of their size - I did not see any image - Beamer's frame level is not supported (ending up with a couple of really long slides) - having to scroll within a slide seems to edit the Org file somehow - "edited" Org file is not undo-able because of visibility troubles - error "outline-back-to-heading: before first heading" But, once again, it gives a lot of hope to get right to the point of loosing a less time as possible, and lets us work on the contents of our file. Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ@public.gmane.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 19:29 ` Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-10-28 22:43 ` Eric Schulte 2010-10-29 4:41 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-28 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sébastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Seb, Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes: > Hi Eric, > > "Eric Schulte" wrote: >> Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. It's a >> very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as the display >> engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent didn't work with >> Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it so that it runs off >> of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to structure the presentation >> and to handle most of the fancy display elements. >> >> This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not >> "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for >> running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of use to >> people here. If you're interested check out the example presentation >> included in the source code repository. >> >> http://github.com/eschulte/epresent >> (instructions in the README) > > Just a typo in README: present.org, instead of presentation.org. > Thanks fixed. > > Quite promising for the rest, really! Thanks once again, for all > add-ons you provide us with... > Thanks, all credit goes to Carsten for making Org-mode so much fun to extend. > > On the glitches side: > I'm sure there are still some bugs. I definitely want to introduce this more as "something that may be fun" rather than "supported software". > > - some titles are truncated because of their size > - I did not see any image I'll take a look, I don't think I ever tested with an image (aside from the LaTeX preview image). > > - Beamer's frame level is not supported (ending up with a couple of > really long slides) This is one of those things that I don't think I'll ever really want to implement as it begins to go beyond the complexity of what I consider a simple tool. > - having to scroll within a slide seems to edit the Org file somehow My guess is that widening and narrowing the buffer is re-setting the "edited" state of the buffer, but I can't say for sure. > - "edited" Org file is not undo-able because of visibility troubles Yea, epresent hides the cursor and the echo area, which makes any sort of editing or navigation aside form using the built in functions a pain. Maybe if scroll was bound to space-bar this could be fixed. > > - error "outline-back-to-heading: before first heading" > When does this happen? > > But, once again, it gives a lot of hope to get right to the point of > loosing a less time as possible, and lets us work on the contents of > our file. > Here's hoping. Cheers -- Eric > > Best regards, > Seb ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 19:29 ` Sébastien Vauban 2010-10-28 22:43 ` Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-29 4:41 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-10-29 4:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sébastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes: > - I did not see any image I think inline images should be working with the latest version ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
* Re: epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs 2010-10-28 14:35 epresent and Org-mode: using Emacs to run presentations of Org-mode docs Eric Schulte ` (3 preceding siblings ...) 2010-10-28 19:29 ` Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-10-28 20:30 ` Eric S Fraga 4 siblings, 0 replies; 29+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2010-10-28 20:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Schulte; +Cc: Tom Tromey, Org Mode, Phil Hagelberg "Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > > Phil Hagelberg recently introduced me to epresent.el by Tom Tromey. > It's a very nice little utility for giving presentations using Emacs as > the display engine. Obviously I was aghast to learn that epresent > didn't work with Org-mode documents. I took the liberty of reworking it > so that it runs off of Org-mode documents and uses Org-mode both to > structure the presentation and to handle most of the fancy display > elements. > > This re-working was mainly a series of quick hacks, and is certainly not > "mature" in any way. But I think it is usable in it's current state for > running simple presentations, and thought it may be interesting or of > use to people here. If you're interested check out the example > presentation included in the source code repository. > > http://github.com/eschulte/epresent > (instructions in the README) > > Best -- Eric This is brilliant! Sure, it isn't going to replace beamer for me but for quick and dirty presentations, this will be very very useful. It seems to work very well out of the box (for me). I haven't tried an image yet but the latex definitely works well. Thanks, eric PS - I'll be tracking that git repository! -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 29+ messages in thread
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