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* How to place things differently in dot
@ 2015-03-26 12:14 Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 15:52 ` e.fraga
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From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-26 12:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


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I was asked to make a diagram and was thinking that dot in org-mode could
be a good idea.

I got reasonably fast the following:
​    #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.svg :cmdline -Kdot -Tsvg
    graph {
      utilities [label = "Utility's"]

      A
      B
      C

      D
      E
      F [shape = rectangle]


      subgraph cluster_resources {
        color=blue
        resources [label = "Resources"]
      }

      G
      H
      I

      K
      subgraph cluster_ta {
        color=blue
        {rank = same; L, M}
        L
        M
      }

      {rank = same; D, E, F}


      A -- F
      B -- F
      C -- F
      A -- D

      F -- E

      F -- K
      F -- G
      F -- H
      F -- I


      K -- L
      K -- M
      L -- M
    }
    #+END_SRC

This is a good deal in the right direction, but a few things should be
different:
​- E should be left of F
- resource should go to the second 'line' without losing its border
- K should be a 'line' lower

Are those things possible?

As attachment how it looks now.

-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 12:14 How to place things differently in dot Cecil Westerhof
@ 2015-03-26 15:52 ` e.fraga
  2015-03-26 16:07   ` Ken Mankoff
  2015-03-26 17:00 ` Thomas S. Dye
  2015-03-26 20:27 ` Nick Dokos
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: e.fraga @ 2015-03-26 15:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cecil Westerhof; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

On Thursday, 26 Mar 2015 at 13:14, Cecil Westerhof wrote:
> I was asked to make a diagram and was thinking that dot in org-mode could
> be a good idea.

[...]

> This is a good deal in the right direction, but a few things should be
> different:

The graphviz tools are fantastic for quick and dirty graphs but the
layout algorithms are not easily controlled... I would highly recommend
tikz ...

If you do want to use dot, I have only ever managed to get what I want
by changing the order in which I specify the connections and/or more use
of sub-graphs.
-- 
: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.4.1, Org release_8.3beta-790-gb719c1.dirty

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 15:52 ` e.fraga
@ 2015-03-26 16:07   ` Ken Mankoff
  2015-03-26 16:57     ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2015-03-26 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: e.fraga; +Cc: Cecil Westerhof, emacs-orgmode


On 2015-03-26 at 11:52, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
> The graphviz tools are fantastic for quick and dirty graphs but the
> layout algorithms are not easily controlled... I would highly
> recommend tikz ...

Or perhaps ditaa.

  -k.
  

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 16:07   ` Ken Mankoff
@ 2015-03-26 16:57     ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 17:32       ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-26 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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2015-03-26 17:07 GMT+01:00 Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com>:

>
> On 2015-03-26 at 11:52, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
> > The graphviz tools are fantastic for quick and dirty graphs but the
> > layout algorithms are not easily controlled... I would highly
> > recommend tikz ...
>
> Or perhaps ditaa.
>

​​It is certainly quick. ​I wait if they find it acceptable: if not I can
always check-out tikz or ditaa.

-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 12:14 How to place things differently in dot Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 15:52 ` e.fraga
@ 2015-03-26 17:00 ` Thomas S. Dye
  2015-03-26 17:09   ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 20:27 ` Nick Dokos
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2015-03-26 17:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Cecil Westerhof; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:

> I was asked to make a diagram and was thinking that dot in org-mode could
> be a good idea.
>
> I got reasonably fast the following:
> ​    #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.svg :cmdline -Kdot -Tsvg
>     graph {
>       utilities [label = "Utility's"]
>
>       A
>       B
>       C
>
>       D
>       E
>       F [shape = rectangle]
>
>
>       subgraph cluster_resources {
>         color=blue
>         resources [label = "Resources"]
>       }
>
>       G
>       H
>       I
>
>       K
>       subgraph cluster_ta {
>         color=blue
>         {rank = same; L, M}
>         L
>         M
>       }
>
>       {rank = same; D, E, F}
>
>
>       A -- F
>       B -- F
>       C -- F
>       A -- D
>
>       F -- E
>
>       F -- K
>       F -- G
>       F -- H
>       F -- I
>
>
>       K -- L
>       K -- M
>       L -- M
>     }
>     #+END_SRC
>
> This is a good deal in the right direction, but a few things should be
> different:
> ​- E should be left of F
> - resource should go to the second 'line' without losing its border
> - K should be a 'line' lower
>
> Are those things possible?

As a last resort, you can edit the svg file.

hth,
Tom

-- 
Thomas S. Dye
http://www.tsdye.com

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 17:00 ` Thomas S. Dye
@ 2015-03-26 17:09   ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-26 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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2015-03-26 18:00 GMT+01:00 Thomas S. Dye <tsd@tsdye.com>:

> Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I was asked to make a diagram and was thinking that dot in org-mode could
> > be a good idea.
> >
> > I got reasonably fast the following:
> > ​    #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.svg :cmdline -Kdot -Tsvg
> >     graph {
> >       utilities [label = "Utility's"]
> >
> >       A
> >       B
> >       C
> >
> >       D
> >       E
> >       F [shape = rectangle]
> >
> >
> >       subgraph cluster_resources {
> >         color=blue
> >         resources [label = "Resources"]
> >       }
> >
> >       G
> >       H
> >       I
> >
> >       K
> >       subgraph cluster_ta {
> >         color=blue
> >         {rank = same; L, M}
> >         L
> >         M
> >       }
> >
> >       {rank = same; D, E, F}
> >
> >
> >       A -- F
> >       B -- F
> >       C -- F
> >       A -- D
> >
> >       F -- E
> >
> >       F -- K
> >       F -- G
> >       F -- H
> >       F -- I
> >
> >
> >       K -- L
> >       K -- M
> >       L -- M
> >     }
> >     #+END_SRC
> >
> > This is a good deal in the right direction, but a few things should be
> > different:
> > ​- E should be left of F
> > - resource should go to the second 'line' without losing its border
> > - K should be a 'line' lower
> >
> > Are those things possible?
>
> As a last resort, you can edit the svg file.
>

​It did cross my mind, but I am afraid it is not a real option (for me).

-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 16:57     ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2015-03-26 17:32       ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-26 17:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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2015-03-26 17:57 GMT+01:00 Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>:

> 2015-03-26 17:07 GMT+01:00 Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com>:
>
>>
>> On 2015-03-26 at 11:52, e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
>> > The graphviz tools are fantastic for quick and dirty graphs but the
>> > layout algorithms are not easily controlled... I would highly
>> > recommend tikz ...
>>
>> Or perhaps ditaa.
>>
>
> ​​It is certainly quick. ​I wait if they find it acceptable: if not I can
> always check-out tikz or ditaa.
>

​I looked at ditaa and tikz. Especially ditta is very nice. It has document
and database elements, but it would also a lot more work to create and
especially to maintain. So I hope my dot version is acceptable.

-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 12:14 How to place things differently in dot Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 15:52 ` e.fraga
  2015-03-26 17:00 ` Thomas S. Dye
@ 2015-03-26 20:27 ` Nick Dokos
  2015-03-26 21:27   ` Cecil Westerhof
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2015-03-26 20:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:

> I was asked to make a diagram and was thinking that dot in org-mode could be a good idea.
>
> I got reasonably fast the following:
> <snip
> This is a good deal in the right direction, but a few things should be different:
> ​- E should be left of F
> - resource should go to the second 'line' without losing its border
> - K should be a 'line' lower
>

Maybe this will help although it's not a complete implementation of
what you have. The idea is to define rows and arrange your nodes into
those rows by using rank=same. Then make the row nodes and edges
invisible. It's also important to do the sequencing correctly, e.g.
in your example, if you just switch F -- E to E -- F, E will be to the
left of F as you want. But I don't know how to get the resources
subgraph to be treated as a node and thereby place it on the same row as F.

In any case, here's the current trial balloon:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test2.svg :cmdline -Kdot -Tsvg
graph foo {
row1--row2--row3--row4 [style="invisible"];
row1, row2, row3, row4 [style="invisible"];

utilities [label = "Utilities"]
 A
 B
 C
 D
 E
 F [shape="rectangle"]
 G
 H
 I
 K
 subgraph cluster_ta {
 color=blue
 {rank = same; L, M;}
 L
 M
 }

{rank=same; row1 utilities A B C; }
{rank=same; row2 D E F;}
{rank=same; row3 G H I;}
{rank=same; row4 K;}

subgraph cluster_resources {
  resources [label = "Resources"]
  graph[color=red];
 }

A -- F
B -- F
C -- F
A -- D
E -- F
F -- G
F -- H
F -- I
F -- K
K -- L
K -- M
L -- M
}
#+END_SRC

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HTH,
Nick

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 20:27 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2015-03-26 21:27   ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 21:49     ` Nick Dokos
  2015-03-26 21:59     ` Nick Dokos
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-26 21:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


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2015-03-26 21:27 GMT+01:00 Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>:

> Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I was asked to make a diagram and was thinking that dot in org-mode
> could be a good idea.
> >
> > I got reasonably fast the following:
> > <snip
> > This is a good deal in the right direction, but a few things should be
> different:
> > ​- E should be left of F
> > - resource should go to the second 'line' without losing its border
> > - K should be a 'line' lower
> >
>
> Maybe this will help although it's not a complete implementation of
> what you have. The idea is to define rows and arrange your nodes into
> those rows by using rank=same. Then make the row nodes and edges
> invisible. It's also important to do the sequencing correctly, e.g.
> in your example, if you just switch F -- E to E -- F, E will be to the
> left of F as you want. But I don't know how to get the resources
> subgraph to be treated as a node and thereby place it on the same row as F.
>
> In any case, here's the current trial balloon:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test2.svg :cmdline -Kdot -Tsvg
> graph foo {
> row1--row2--row3--row4 [style="invisible"];
> row1, row2, row3, row4 [style="invisible"];
>
> utilities [label = "Utilities"]
>  A
>  B
>  C
>  D
>  E
>  F [shape="rectangle"]
>  G
>  H
>  I
>  K
>  subgraph cluster_ta {
>  color=blue
>  {rank = same; L, M;}
>  L
>  M
>  }
>
> {rank=same; row1 utilities A B C; }
> {rank=same; row2 D E F;}
> {rank=same; row3 G H I;}
> {rank=same; row4 K;}
>
> subgraph cluster_resources {
>   resources [label = "Resources"]
>   graph[color=red];
>  }
>
> A -- F
> B -- F
> C -- F
> A -- D
> E -- F
> F -- G
> F -- H
> F -- I
> F -- K
> K -- L
> K -- M
> L -- M
> }
> #+END_SRC
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>

​I did it a little differently:
    #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.png :cmdline -Kdot -Tpng
    graph {
      utilities [label = "Utility's"]

      A
      B
      C

      D
      E
      F [shape = rectangle]


      subgraph cluster_resources {
        color=blue
        resources [label = "Resources"]
      }

      G
      G_ [style="invisible"]
      H
      I

      K
      subgraph cluster_ta {
        color=blue
        {rank = same; L, M}
        L
        M
      }

      {rank = same; D,  E, F}
      {rank = same; G_, K}


      A -- F
      B -- F
      C -- F
      A -- D

      E -- F

      F -- K
      F -- G
      F -- H
      F -- I

      G -- G_ [style="invisible"]

      K -- L
      K -- M
      L -- M
    }
    #+END_SRC
​

​In this way I do not get an empty column. It would be better when K would
put between and below H and I, but I think I can live with it.​

-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 21:27   ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2015-03-26 21:49     ` Nick Dokos
  2015-03-26 22:19       ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 21:59     ` Nick Dokos
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2015-03-26 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:

> ​In this way I do not get an empty column. It would be better when K
> would put between and below H and I, but I think I can live with it.​
>

Just put I after K and the subgraph.

Nick

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 21:27   ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-26 21:49     ` Nick Dokos
@ 2015-03-26 21:59     ` Nick Dokos
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2015-03-26 21:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:

> 
> ​In this way I do not get an empty column.

You can make the rows be of size 0:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test2.svg :cmdline -Kdot -Tsvg
graph foo {
row1--row2--row3--row4 [style="invis", fixedsize="true", width="0", height="0"];
row1, row2, row3, row4 [style="invis", fixedsize="true", width="0", height="0"];
...
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Nick

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 21:49     ` Nick Dokos
@ 2015-03-26 22:19       ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-27  6:57         ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-26 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


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2015-03-26 22:49 GMT+01:00 Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>:

> Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > ​In this way I do not get an empty column. It would be better when K
> > would put between and below H and I, but I think I can live with it.​
> >
>
> Just put I after K and the subgraph.
>

​That works. It is even better when I put both H and I after it.

I also found a way to get resources at the correct place.

It know becomes:
    #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.png :cmdline -Kdot -Tpng
    graph {
      A
      B
      C
      utilities [label = "Utility's"]

      D
      E
      F [shape = rectangle]


      subgraph cluster_resources {
        color=blue
        resources [label = "Resources"]
      }

      G
      G_ [style="invisible"]

      K
      subgraph cluster_ta {
        color=blue
        {rank = same; L, M}
        L
        M
      }
      H
      I

      {rank = same; D,  E, F}
      {rank = same; G_, K}


      A -- F
      B -- F
      C -- F
      A -- D
      utilities -- resources [style="invisible"]

      E -- F

      F -- K
      F -- G
      F -- H
      F -- I

      G -- G_ [style="invisible"]

      K -- L
      K -- M
      L -- M
    }
    #+END_SRC

That looks very good indeed: I think I do not need to start working with
ditaa. :-)

​Everyone thanks for the help.​


-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-26 22:19       ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2015-03-27  6:57         ` Cecil Westerhof
  2015-03-27  9:29           ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-27  6:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


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2015-03-26 23:19 GMT+01:00 Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>:

> 2015-03-26 22:49 GMT+01:00 Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>:
>
>> Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > ​In this way I do not get an empty column. It would be better when K
>> > would put between and below H and I, but I think I can live with it.​
>> >
>>
>> Just put I after K and the subgraph.
>>
>
> ​That works. It is even better when I put both H and I after it.
>
> I also found a way to get resources at the correct place.
>

​I changed to a digraph:
    #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.png :cmdline -Kdot -Tpng
    digraph {
      A
      B
      C
      utilities [label = "Utility's"]

      D
      E
      F [shape = rectangle]


      subgraph cluster_resources {
        color=blue
        resources [label = "Resources"]
      }

      G
      G_ [style="invisible"]

      K
      subgraph cluster_ta {
        color=blue
        {rank = same; L, M}
        L
        M
      }
      H
      I

      {rank = same; D,  E, F}
      {rank = same; G_, K}


      A -> F
      B -> F
      C -> F
      A -> D
      utilities -> resources [style="invisible"]

      E -> F

      F -> K [dir = back]
      F -> G [dir = back]
      F -> H [dir = back]
      F -> I [dir = back]

      G -> G_ [style="invisible"]

      K -> L
      K -> M
      L -> M
    }
    #+END_SRC

There is only one problem: I see the arrowhead with:
    utilities -> resources
and:
    'G -> G_'

Is there a way to get rid of those?

-- 
Cecil Westerhof

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* Re: How to place things differently in dot
  2015-03-27  6:57         ` Cecil Westerhof
@ 2015-03-27  9:29           ` Cecil Westerhof
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 14+ messages in thread
From: Cecil Westerhof @ 2015-03-27  9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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2015-03-27 7:57 GMT+01:00 Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>:

> 2015-03-26 23:19 GMT+01:00 Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com>:
>
>> 2015-03-26 22:49 GMT+01:00 Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Cecil Westerhof <cldwesterhof@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>> > ​In this way I do not get an empty column. It would be better when K
>>> > would put between and below H and I, but I think I can live with it.​
>>> >
>>>
>>> Just put I after K and the subgraph.
>>>
>>
>> ​That works. It is even better when I put both H and I after it.
>>
>> I also found a way to get resources at the correct place.
>>
>
> ​I changed to a digraph:
>     #+BEGIN_SRC dot :file test.png :cmdline -Kdot -Tpng
>     digraph {
>       A
>       B
>       C
>       utilities [label = "Utility's"]
>
>       D
>       E
>       F [shape = rectangle]
>
>
>       subgraph cluster_resources {
>         color=blue
>         resources [label = "Resources"]
>       }
>
>       G
>       G_ [style="invisible"]
>
>       K
>       subgraph cluster_ta {
>         color=blue
>         {rank = same; L, M}
>         L
>         M
>       }
>       H
>       I
>
>       {rank = same; D,  E, F}
>       {rank = same; G_, K}
>
>
>       A -> F
>       B -> F
>       C -> F
>       A -> D
>       utilities -> resources [style="invisible"]
>
>       E -> F
>
>       F -> K [dir = back]
>       F -> G [dir = back]
>       F -> H [dir = back]
>       F -> I [dir = back]
>
>       G -> G_ [style="invisible"]
>
>       K -> L
>       K -> M
>       L -> M
>     }
>     #+END_SRC
>
> There is only one problem: I see the arrowhead with:
>     utilities -> resources
> and:
>     'G -> G_'
>
> Is there a way to get rid of those?
>

​I found that also:
    [style="invisible", arrowhead = "none"]

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