* Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil @ 2013-04-04 9:28 Rainer M. Krug 2013-04-04 9:55 ` Russell Adams 2013-04-04 9:59 ` Christian Moe 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Rainer M. Krug @ 2013-04-04 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 696 bytes --] Hi I stumbled upon this blog post : http://mph.puddingbowl.org/2010/02/org-mode-in-your-pocket-is-a-gnu-shaped-devil/ It is from 2010, but it describes my feelings perfectly - I just started using gnus. Cheers and thanks everybody for building and contributing to org-mode, Rainer -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 489 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 9:28 Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil Rainer M. Krug @ 2013-04-04 9:55 ` Russell Adams 2013-04-04 9:59 ` Christian Moe 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Russell Adams @ 2013-04-04 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 11:28:23AM +0200, Rainer M. Krug wrote: > http://mph.puddingbowl.org/2010/02/org-mode-in-your-pocket-is-a-gnu-shaped-devil/ > > It is from 2010, but it describes my feelings perfectly - I just started > using gnus. What a great summary! That certainly sums it up: "The genius of org-mode is that you will eventually impose more complex features on yourself." I need that last paragraph in a poster. I wonder if we can quote him on t-shirts? Thanks for sharing. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 9:28 Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil Rainer M. Krug 2013-04-04 9:55 ` Russell Adams @ 2013-04-04 9:59 ` Christian Moe 2013-04-04 10:57 ` Rainer M. Krug 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Christian Moe @ 2013-04-04 9:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rainer M. Krug; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Been there, nearly did that, then opted for mu4e over gnus, to preserve remains of sanity. Cheers, Christian Rainer M. Krug writes: > Hi > > I stumbled upon this blog post : > http://mph.puddingbowl.org/2010/02/org-mode-in-your-pocket-is-a-gnu-shaped-devil/ > > It is from 2010, but it describes my feelings perfectly - I just started > using gnus. > > Cheers and thanks everybody for building and contributing to org-mode, > > Rainer ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 9:59 ` Christian Moe @ 2013-04-04 10:57 ` Rainer M. Krug 2013-04-04 11:48 ` François Pinard 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Rainer M. Krug @ 2013-04-04 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christian Moe; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> writes: > Been there, nearly did that, then opted for mu4e over gnus, to > preserve remains of sanity. Sanity - never heard of it. I am giving gnus a few weeks and then I wil see - I think I am getting used to it (*not* understanding it!) I use notmuch for email indexing, so I liiked at notmuchs email capabilities, and I decided to look at gnus. Maybe mu4e is next - I will see. Cheers, Rainer > > Cheers, > Christian > > Rainer M. Krug writes: > >> Hi >> >> I stumbled upon this blog post : >> http://mph.puddingbowl.org/2010/02/org-mode-in-your-pocket-is-a-gnu-shaped-devil/ >> >> It is from 2010, but it describes my feelings perfectly - I just started >> using gnus. >> >> Cheers and thanks everybody for building and contributing to org-mode, >> >> Rainer > <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 10:57 ` Rainer M. Krug @ 2013-04-04 11:48 ` François Pinard 2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: François Pinard @ 2013-04-04 11:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes: > Sanity - never heard of it. I am giving gnus a few weeks and then I wil > see - I think I am getting used to it (*not* understanding it!) Hi Rainer! I surely tried many mail user agents (MUAs) in my life and, sad to say :-), Gnus is undoubtedly the most featured and flexible, while being the one which best respects various standards in the field. If I write "sad to say", this is because Gnus coupled me more intimately with Emacs, while I tried hard to run away of it, to recover some sanity. To no avail: after many years of abstinence, and with reluctance and dismay, Org got me back in it. Org is so good that I could not resist. In the meantime, despite I found some MUAs quite impressive, I knew deep down that none really match Gnus. So, when Org thrown me back in Emacs, and given Org and Gnus integrate rather well with one another, Gnus was the next logical step, which I do not regret yet. A tiny example from yesterday. Knowing that Google Reader is soon going to leave us, and after a few other unsatisfying tries, I finally opted for Gwene + Gnus, and found out that the UI is even more efficient than Google Reader, at least for me, to sort out what I want to read and what I want to ignore. Some groups (Hacker News is typical) only yield links in Gnus, with no text. It took me about one hour (my Gnus programming is rather rusty) for adding a Gnus command opening many tabs at once, in a graphical browser, for all articles I retain in Gnus for reading. I do not see any other environment in which such tiny projects would stay reasonably small and tractable. François ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 11:48 ` François Pinard @ 2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien 2013-04-04 16:39 ` Haider Rizvi 2013-04-05 10:59 ` François Pinard 2013-04-04 12:41 ` Rainer M. Krug 2013-04-04 17:41 ` Suvayu Ali 2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-04-04 12:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: François Pinard; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi François, François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > It took me about one hour (my Gnus programming > is rather rusty) for adding a Gnus command opening many tabs at once, in > a graphical browser, for all articles I retain in Gnus for reading. That looks nice, is your hack public somewhere? I've been using Gwene + Gnus for feeds since one year or so now, and it is a clear win. And Gnus as the most funny manual ever. Another reason to stick to it. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien @ 2013-04-04 16:39 ` Haider Rizvi 2013-04-05 23:10 ` Bastien 2013-04-05 10:59 ` François Pinard 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Haider Rizvi @ 2013-04-04 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: > Hi François, > > François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > >> It took me about one hour (my Gnus programming >> is rather rusty) for adding a Gnus command opening many tabs at once, in >> a graphical browser, for all articles I retain in Gnus for reading. > > That looks nice, is your hack public somewhere? Not exactly the above, but I have the following my-gnus-browse bound to ; in gnus-summary-mode-map, which opens up a browser with the right links for gwene, gmane and nnrss groups. I think the browse-nnrss-url is untouched from the gnus manual. (defun browse-nnrss-url( arg ) (interactive "p") (let ((url (assq nnrss-url-field (mail-header-extra (gnus-data-header (assq (gnus-summary-article-number) gnus-newsgroup-data)))))) (if url (progn (browse-url (cdr url)) (gnus-summary-mark-as-read-forward 1)) (gnus-summary-scroll-up arg)))) (add-to-list 'nnmail-extra-headers nnrss-url-field) (defun rs-gnus-browse-archived-at () "Browse \"Archived-at\" URL of the current article." (interactive) (let (url) (with-current-buffer gnus-original-article-buffer (setq url (gnus-fetch-field "Archived-at"))) (if (not (stringp url)) (gnus-message 1 "No \"Archived-at\" header found.") (setq url (gnus-replace-in-string url "^<\\|>$" "")) (browse-url url)))) (defun my-gnus-browse (arg) (interactive "p") (cond ((string-match ":\\(gwene\\|gmane\\)\\." gnus-newsgroup-name) (rs-gnus-browse-archived-at)) ((string-match "^nnrss\." gnus-newsgroup-name) (browse-nnrss-url arg)))) Regards, -- Haider ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 16:39 ` Haider Rizvi @ 2013-04-05 23:10 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2013-04-05 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Haider Rizvi; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Haider, Haider Rizvi <harizvi@gmail.com> writes: > Not exactly the above, but I have the following my-gnus-browse bound > to ; in gnus-summary-mode-map, which opens up a browser with the right > links for gwene, gmane and nnrss groups. I think the browse-nnrss-url > is untouched from the gnus manual. Thanks -- will try this! -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien 2013-04-04 16:39 ` Haider Rizvi @ 2013-04-05 10:59 ` François Pinard 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: François Pinard @ 2013-04-05 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes: >> It took me about one hour (my Gnus programming is rather rusty) for >> adding a Gnus command opening many tabs at once, in a graphical >> browser, for all articles I retain in Gnus for reading. > That looks nice, is your hack public somewhere? No, but here it is, usage instructions follow. (defun fp-gnus-summary-open-links (arg) "Open links in a browser for processable articles, like for Hacker News." (interactive "P") (let ((articles (gnus-summary-work-articles arg))) (save-excursion (while articles (setq article (pop articles)) (gnus-summary-goto-article article) (gnus-summary-show-article t) (save-excursion (pop-to-buffer gnus-article-buffer) (re-search-forward "<a href=\"\\([^\"]+\\)\">Link</a>") (browse-url (match-string 1))) (gnus-summary-remove-process-mark article)))) (gnus-summary-position-point)) (defun my-gnus-summary-mode-hook () (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map "\C-cnl" 'fp-gnus-summary-open-links) ;; ... ) (add-hook 'gnus-summary-mode-hook 'my-gnus-summary-mode-hook) The function selects articles according to the process/mark convention, and I want it to fail whenever an article does not have a "Link" button (that's why I do not catch the error if "re-search" fails). So, I use it this way. In an RSS summary buffer, I use C-k to "read" without opening any subject I want to skip. Once done, I use "x M P A C-c n l" to remove all article I C-k'ed, add a process mark on everything else, then transfer marked articles into a graphical browser, one tab per article. Transferred articles also get "read" in the summary buffer. I also use this bit of Emacs Lisp code in ~/.emacs, which is related: ;; Chrome (really xdg-open) ;; ------------------------ (defun browse-url-xdg-open (url &optional new-window) "Ask the default browser to load URL. Default to the URL around or before point." (interactive (browse-url-interactive-arg "URL: ")) (shell-command (concat "xdg-open " (shell-quote-argument (browse-url-encode-url url))))) (setq browse-url-browser-function 'browse-url-xdg-open) François ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 11:48 ` François Pinard 2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien @ 2013-04-04 12:41 ` Rainer M. Krug 2013-04-04 17:41 ` Suvayu Ali 2 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Rainer M. Krug @ 2013-04-04 12:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: François Pinard; +Cc: emacs-orgmode François Pinard <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca> writes: > Rainer@krugs.de (Rainer M. Krug) writes: > >> Sanity - never heard of it. I am giving gnus a few weeks and then I wil >> see - I think I am getting used to it (*not* understanding it!) > > Hi Rainer! > > I surely tried many mail user agents (MUAs) in my life and, sad to say > :-), Gnus is undoubtedly the most featured and flexible, while being the > one which best respects various standards in the field. > > If I write "sad to say", this is because Gnus coupled me more intimately > with Emacs, while I tried hard to run away of it, to recover some sanity. > To no avail: after many years of abstinence, and with reluctance and > dismay, Org got me back in it. Org is so good that I could not resist. I used org more or less exclusively for literate programming in R, and I never really got used to emacs and elisp - but even though, org kept me with emacs - I don't want to miss org and babel with ess when writing code! And now it is gnus... > > In the meantime, despite I found some MUAs quite impressive, I knew deep > down that none really match Gnus. So, when Org thrown me back in Emacs, > and given Org and Gnus integrate rather well with one another, Gnus was > the next logical step, which I do not regret yet. After two days, I was frustrated with gnus, andstarted thunderbird again... When after five minutes thunderbird was still unresponsive and using one of my two cores, I decided that's it - gnus is so much faster and when I search with notmuch, I have everything I need for now (well - next step is the google calendar...). > > A tiny example from yesterday. Knowing that Google Reader is soon going > to leave us, and after a few other unsatisfying tries, I finally opted > for Gwene + Gnus, and found out that the UI is even more efficient than > Google Reader, at least for me, to sort out what I want to read and what > I want to ignore. Some groups (Hacker News is typical) only yield links > in Gnus, with no text. It took me about one hour (my Gnus programming > is rather rusty) for adding a Gnus command opening many tabs at once, in > a graphical browser, for all articles I retain in Gnus for reading. Interesting. But As I read my news mainly on my iPad at home (to not distract me even more from work then gnus is already doing) I am trying feedly. > > I do not see any other environment in which such tiny projects would > stay reasonably small and tractable. Well - at the moment I don't see the end of gnus yet... Cheers and happy orging, Rainer > > François > <#secure method=pgpmime mode=sign> -- Rainer M. Krug, PhD (Conservation Ecology, SUN), MSc (Conservation Biology, UCT), Dipl. Phys. (Germany) Centre of Excellence for Invasion Biology Stellenbosch University South Africa Tel : +33 - (0)9 53 10 27 44 Cell: +33 - (0)6 85 62 59 98 Fax : +33 - (0)9 58 10 27 44 Fax (D): +49 - (0)3 21 21 25 22 44 email: Rainer@krugs.de Skype: RMkrug ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 11:48 ` François Pinard 2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien 2013-04-04 12:41 ` Rainer M. Krug @ 2013-04-04 17:41 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-04-05 11:18 ` François Pinard 2013-04-05 21:28 ` Gareth Smith 2 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-04-04 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Thu, Apr 04, 2013 at 07:48:50AM -0400, François Pinard wrote: > If I write "sad to say", this is because Gnus coupled me more intimately > with Emacs, while I tried hard to run away of it, to recover some sanity. [...] > In the meantime, despite I found some MUAs quite impressive, I knew deep > down that none really match Gnus. <rant/> For me it is the other way around. I want to couple with Emacs more closely, but Gnus prevents me from doing so. A few gripes follow. 1. Emacs is single threaded, so a network interruption while reading my email over IMAP means my emacs server is stuck! 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that out in the wild, so let's let it slide. 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir folder *inside* the maildir directory tree! maildir ├── .nnmaildir ├── cur ├── new └── tmp I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a problem for large mailboxes. Apart from this I often notice broken threads from posters using Gnus, not sure if Gnus or the user is to blame there. </rant> I use mutt-kz (mutt with notmuch integration) and emacsclient. With support for linking using org-notmuch, I couldn't be happier. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 17:41 ` Suvayu Ali @ 2013-04-05 11:18 ` François Pinard 2013-04-05 12:37 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-04-05 21:28 ` Gareth Smith 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: François Pinard @ 2013-04-05 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes: > For me it is the other way around. I want to couple with Emacs more > closely, but Gnus prevents me from doing so. A few gripes follow. > 1. Emacs is single threaded, so a network interruption while reading my > email over IMAP means my emacs server is stuck! It would be so appealing if Emacs was really using threading for its windows. Tom Tromey seems to be making a very courageous attempt at it, but is still hitting various problems and walls. I wonder if he will succeed at the end. In my case, Emacs is indeed stuck for a few seconds, not enough to bother me significantly. I read that some people combine fetchmail, procmail and other tools so Emacs does not IMAP itself; I just did not want to dive into all the locking and synchronization issues implied by such tools. > 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That > does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where > Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that > out in the wild, so let's let it slide. > 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir > folder *inside* the maildir directory tree! > maildir > ├── .nnmaildir > ├── cur > ├── new > └── tmp > I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes > about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a > problem for large mailboxes. I never really studies IMAP, and use it rather naively, so I take your word about Gnus not being straight about it. Sorry to hear that. I've not been bitten yet, or maybe I'm just too naive to know. However, I remember that I often had to read Gnus structures in external, non-Emacs programs, and it is indeed a challenge each time. I merely try to not do that anymore! :-) > I use mutt-kz (mutt with notmuch integration) and emacsclient. With > support for linking using org-notmuch, I couldn't be happier. Thanks for the hints, which I save, could be useful one day, who knows! :-) When I left Emacs for other lands, years ago, I decided for Mutt and used it for many years (before switching to others, and finally Thunderbird). With many stunts (a bit too much of them should I say), I could get Mutt to do about anything I wanted (but never had such success with Thunderbird). Back to Gnus, and configuring it as little as I can, I have the impression of recovering some simplicity on the user side. Moreover, Org nicely plays with Gnus (or almost). François ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-05 11:18 ` François Pinard @ 2013-04-05 12:37 ` Suvayu Ali 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-04-05 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hey François, On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 07:18:56AM -0400, François Pinard wrote: > Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes: > > > For me it is the other way around. I want to couple with Emacs more > > closely, but Gnus prevents me from doing so. A few gripes follow. > > > 1. Emacs is single threaded, so a network interruption while reading my > > email over IMAP means my emacs server is stuck! > > It would be so appealing if Emacs was really using threading for its > windows. Tom Tromey seems to be making a very courageous attempt at it, > but is still hitting various problems and walls. I wonder if he will > succeed at the end. I'm dying for Emacs to be multi-threaded in the future. Email is just one task affected by this. My biggest problem is using tramp over unreliable connections. e.g. I want to edit my remote org files with the latest and greatest of org on my laptop! I often have to work on remote machines behind internal gateways (that's 3 ssh hops away!). I do save my notes/tasks in org files there, but cannot edit them optimally because emacs on these nodes is some crappy old version. > > 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That > > does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where > > Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that > > out in the wild, so let's let it slide. > > 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir > > folder *inside* the maildir directory tree! > > maildir > > ├── .nnmaildir > > ├── cur > > ├── new > > └── tmp > > I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes > > about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a > > problem for large mailboxes. > > I never really studies IMAP, and use it rather naively, so I take your > word about Gnus not being straight about it. Sorry to hear that. I've > not been bitten yet, or maybe I'm just too naive to know. Ah I think you misunderstood me. My solution above was to move from IMAP to Maildir so the reliance on a live network connection is gone. Gnus screws it up when dealing with _Maildir_ flags. Now back to work and more on topic threads. ;) Cheers, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-04 17:41 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-04-05 11:18 ` François Pinard @ 2013-04-05 21:28 ` Gareth Smith 2013-04-05 22:25 ` Eric Schulte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Gareth Smith @ 2013-04-05 21:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes: > 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That > does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where > Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that > out in the wild, so let's let it slide. > 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir > folder *inside* the maildir directory tree! > maildir > ├── .nnmaildir > ├── cur > ├── new > └── tmp > I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes > about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a > problem for large mailboxes. FWIW, I use offlineimap this way, but rather than pointing gnus directly at my local maildir, I use dovecot (a small local IMAP server) as an intermediary. This method is documented here: http://roland.entierement.nu/blog/2010/09/08/gnus-dovecot-offlineimap-search-a-howto.html Note the update at the end, since dovecot's command-line interface has changed since the article was first written. I actually use: (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "Mail" (nnimap-shell-program "/usr/lib/dovecot/imap -c ~/.dovecotrc") (nnimap-stream shell))) So far, my emacs (which contains everything I do except Firefox) has remained responsive, and my mailstore still makes sense to K9 when I'm mobile. G ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil 2013-04-05 21:28 ` Gareth Smith @ 2013-04-05 22:25 ` Eric Schulte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Eric Schulte @ 2013-04-05 22:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Gareth Smith; +Cc: emacs-orgmode > > FWIW, I use offlineimap this way, but rather than pointing gnus directly > at my local maildir, I use dovecot (a small local IMAP server) as an > intermediary. This method is documented here: > > http://roland.entierement.nu/blog/2010/09/08/gnus-dovecot-offlineimap-search-a-howto.html > +1 I also use gnus, dovecot and offlineimap, and used this same page to guide my setup. Although this wasn't trivial to setup, I love the results. A responsive email/Emacs environment which is fully available allowing me to read and write mail with or without internet access (great for hour long train commutes). > > Note the update at the end, since dovecot's command-line interface has > changed since the article was first written. I actually use: > > (setq gnus-select-method '(nnimap "Mail" > (nnimap-shell-program > "/usr/lib/dovecot/imap -c ~/.dovecotrc") > (nnimap-stream shell))) > > So far, my emacs (which contains everything I do except Firefox) has > remained responsive, and my mailstore still makes sense to K9 when I'm > mobile. > > G > > -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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