From: "François Pinard" <pinard@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil
Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2013 07:18:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <86ppy9uswv.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130404174117.GB11897@kuru.dyndns-at-home.com> (Suvayu Ali's message of "Thu, 4 Apr 2013 19:41:17 +0200")
Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:
> For me it is the other way around. I want to couple with Emacs more
> closely, but Gnus prevents me from doing so. A few gripes follow.
> 1. Emacs is single threaded, so a network interruption while reading my
> email over IMAP means my emacs server is stuck!
It would be so appealing if Emacs was really using threading for its
windows. Tom Tromey seems to be making a very courageous attempt at it,
but is still hitting various problems and walls. I wonder if he will
succeed at the end.
In my case, Emacs is indeed stuck for a few seconds, not enough to
bother me significantly. I read that some people combine fetchmail,
procmail and other tools so Emacs does not IMAP itself; I just did not
want to dive into all the locking and synchronization issues implied by
such tools.
> 2. Oh that's easy to solve, use maildirs (sync with OfflineIMAP). That
> does not work well because Gnus uses its own flags (an example where
> Gnus actually breaks standards)! There are some hacks around that
> out in the wild, so let's let it slide.
> 3. Gnus stores some meta information/cache for maildirs in a .nnmaildir
> folder *inside* the maildir directory tree!
> maildir
> ├── .nnmaildir
> ├── cur
> ├── new
> └── tmp
> I do not know how, but this supposed meta information or cache takes
> about 2/3 of disk space as the original maildir! Obviously that is a
> problem for large mailboxes.
I never really studies IMAP, and use it rather naively, so I take your
word about Gnus not being straight about it. Sorry to hear that. I've
not been bitten yet, or maybe I'm just too naive to know.
However, I remember that I often had to read Gnus structures in
external, non-Emacs programs, and it is indeed a challenge each time. I
merely try to not do that anymore! :-)
> I use mutt-kz (mutt with notmuch integration) and emacsclient. With
> support for linking using org-notmuch, I couldn't be happier.
Thanks for the hints, which I save, could be useful one day, who knows!
:-) When I left Emacs for other lands, years ago, I decided for Mutt and
used it for many years (before switching to others, and finally
Thunderbird). With many stunts (a bit too much of them should I say), I
could get Mutt to do about anything I wanted (but never had such success
with Thunderbird). Back to Gnus, and configuring it as little as I can,
I have the impression of recovering some simplicity on the user side.
Moreover, Org nicely plays with Gnus (or almost).
François
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-05 11:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-04 9:28 Nice blog post - Org-mode in Your Pocket Is a GNU-Shaped Devil Rainer M. Krug
2013-04-04 9:55 ` Russell Adams
2013-04-04 9:59 ` Christian Moe
2013-04-04 10:57 ` Rainer M. Krug
2013-04-04 11:48 ` François Pinard
2013-04-04 12:12 ` Bastien
2013-04-04 16:39 ` Haider Rizvi
2013-04-05 23:10 ` Bastien
2013-04-05 10:59 ` François Pinard
2013-04-04 12:41 ` Rainer M. Krug
2013-04-04 17:41 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-04-05 11:18 ` François Pinard [this message]
2013-04-05 12:37 ` Suvayu Ali
2013-04-05 21:28 ` Gareth Smith
2013-04-05 22:25 ` Eric Schulte
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