* Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence @ 2010-11-02 9:12 Andreas Röhler 2010-11-02 15:07 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-02 9:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 151 bytes --] Hi inside a table M-a is bound to backward-sentence which doesn't meet info. See screenshot attached. Checked from git-repo code Thanks Andreas [-- Attachment #2: org-table-move-bug.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 124891 bytes --] [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence 2010-11-02 9:12 Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-02 15:07 ` Carsten Dominik 2010-11-03 8:22 ` Andreas Röhler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-02 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Röhler; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: > Hi > > inside a table > > M-a is bound to backward-sentence Hi Andreas, I get M-a runs the command org-backward-sentence, which is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `org.el'. It is bound to M-a. (org-backward-sentence &optional ARG) Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field. This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field', depending on context. Cheers > > which doesn't meet info. > > See screenshot attached. > > Checked from git-repo code > > Thanks > > Andreas > <org-table-move- > bug.png>_______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence 2010-11-02 15:07 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-03 8:22 ` Andreas Röhler 2010-11-03 22:32 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-03 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Am 02.11.2010 16:07, schrieb Carsten Dominik: > > On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: > >> Hi >> >> inside a table >> >> M-a is bound to backward-sentence > > Hi Andreas, > > I get > > M-a runs the command org-backward-sentence, which is an interactive > compiled Lisp function in `org.el'. > > It is bound to M-a. > > (org-backward-sentence &optional ARG) Hi Carsten, thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version Have been told to follow instructions and load ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") However, it works here that way: (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el") Do you have an idea whats the reason? Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code. Thanks again Andreas > > Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field. > This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field', > depending on context. > > > Cheers > >> >> which doesn't meet info. >> >> See screenshot attached. >> >> Checked from git-repo code >> >> Thanks >> >> Andreas >> <org-table-move-bug.png>_______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > - Carsten > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence 2010-11-03 8:22 ` Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-03 22:32 ` Carsten Dominik 2010-11-04 7:16 ` right customization Andreas Röhler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-03 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Röhler; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: > Am 02.11.2010 16:07, schrieb Carsten Dominik: >> >> On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> inside a table >>> >>> M-a is bound to backward-sentence >> >> Hi Andreas, >> >> I get >> >> M-a runs the command org-backward-sentence, which is an interactive >> compiled Lisp function in `org.el'. >> >> It is bound to M-a. >> >> (org-backward-sentence &optional ARG) > > Hi Carsten, > > thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version > > Have been told to follow instructions and load > > ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") By who? the right customization is (require 'org-install). ANd, when you are using git, you need to *make* org-install.el yourself. *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this only works because people apparently do overlook the org-install part in the installation instructions. - Carsten > > However, it works here that way: > > (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el") > > Do you have an idea whats the reason? > > Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code. > > Thanks again > > Andreas > > >> >> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field. >> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field', >> depending on context. >> >> >> Cheers >> >>> >>> which doesn't meet info. >>> >>> See screenshot attached. >>> >>> Checked from git-repo code >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Andreas >>> <org-table-move- >>> bug.png>_______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> - Carsten >> >> >> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* right customization 2010-11-03 22:32 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-04 7:16 ` Andreas Röhler 2010-11-04 8:29 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-04 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode >> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version >> >> Have been told to follow instructions and load >> >> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") > > By who? > > the right customization is > > (require 'org-install). Hi Carsten, that surprises me. AFAIU (require only loads a feature, if it's not present already. As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty-- org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here. Andreas ANd, when you are using git, you > need to *make* org-install.el yourself. > *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this > only works because people apparently do overlook the > org-install part in the installation instructions. > > - Carsten > >> >> However, it works here that way: >> >> (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el") >> >> Do you have an idea whats the reason? >> >> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code. >> >> Thanks again >> >> Andreas >> >> >>> >>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field. >>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field', >>> depending on context. >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>>> >>>> which doesn't meet info. >>>> >>>> See screenshot attached. >>>> >>>> Checked from git-repo code >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Andreas >>>> <org-table-move-bug.png>_______________________________________________ >>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: right customization 2010-11-04 7:16 ` right customization Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-04 8:29 ` Carsten Dominik 2010-11-04 9:54 ` Andreas Röhler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-04 8:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Röhler; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: > >>> >>> Hi Carsten, >>> >>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version >>> >>> Have been told to follow instructions and load >>> >>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") >> >> By who? >> >> the right customization is >> >> (require 'org-install). > > Hi Carsten, > > that surprises me. > > AFAIU > > (require > > only loads a feature, if it's not present already. > As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty-- > org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then > sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here. Hi Andreas, also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when you (or some other package) issues a require. If you have set up the load path correctly, so that your own version of org is seen before the one coming wiht Emacs, the require will load the right one. I think this is all covered pretty extensively in our tutorials, FAQ etc, - Carsten > > Andreas > > > ANd, when you are using git, you >> need to *make* org-install.el yourself. >> *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this >> only works because people apparently do overlook the >> org-install part in the installation instructions. >> >> - Carsten >> >>> >>> However, it works here that way: >>> >>> (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el") >>> >>> Do you have an idea whats the reason? >>> >>> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code. >>> >>> Thanks again >>> >>> Andreas >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field. >>>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of- >>>> field', >>>> depending on context. >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>>> >>>>> which doesn't meet info. >>>>> >>>>> See screenshot attached. >>>>> >>>>> Checked from git-repo code >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Andreas >>>>> <org-table-move- >>>>> bug.png>_______________________________________________ >>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>>> >>>> - Carsten >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: right customization 2010-11-04 8:29 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-04 9:54 ` Andreas Röhler 2010-11-04 10:00 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread From: Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-04 9:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Am 04.11.2010 09:29, schrieb Carsten Dominik: > > On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: > >> >>>> >>>> Hi Carsten, >>>> >>>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version >>>> >>>> Have been told to follow instructions and load >>>> >>>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") >>> >>> By who? >>> >>> the right customization is >>> >>> (require 'org-install). >> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> that surprises me. >> >> AFAIU >> >> (require >> >> only loads a feature, if it's not present already. >> As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty-- >> org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then >> sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here. > > Hi Andreas, > > also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when you (or > some other package) issues a require. > So I'm nearly drowned. In my imagination an explicite "load" overwrites the symbols unconditionally, while "require" does a check. > If you have set up the load path correctly, so that your own version of > org is seen before the one coming wiht Emacs, the require will load the > right one. > > I think this is all covered pretty extensively in our tutorials, FAQ etc, > > - Carsten > >> >> Andreas >> >> >> ANd, when you are using git, you >>> need to *make* org-install.el yourself. >>> *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this >>> only works because people apparently do overlook the >>> org-install part in the installation instructions. >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >>>> >>>> However, it works here that way: >>>> >>>> (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el") >>>> >>>> Do you have an idea whats the reason? >>>> >>>> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code. >>>> >>>> Thanks again >>>> >>>> Andreas >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field. >>>>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field', >>>>> depending on context. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> which doesn't meet info. >>>>>> >>>>>> See screenshot attached. >>>>>> >>>>>> Checked from git-repo code >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Andreas >>>>>> <org-table-move-bug.png>_______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>>>> >>>>> - Carsten >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > - Carsten > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: right customization 2010-11-04 9:54 ` Andreas Röhler @ 2010-11-04 10:00 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-11-04 10:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andreas Röhler; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: > Am 04.11.2010 09:29, schrieb Carsten Dominik: >> >> On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carsten, >>>>> >>>>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version >>>>> >>>>> Have been told to follow instructions and load >>>>> >>>>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") >>>> >>>> By who? >>>> >>>> the right customization is >>>> >>>> (require 'org-install). >>> >>> Hi Carsten, >>> >>> that surprises me. >>> >>> AFAIU >>> >>> (require >>> >>> only loads a feature, if it's not present already. >>> As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty-- >>> org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then >>> sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here. >> >> Hi Andreas, >> >> also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when >> you (or >> some other package) issues a require. >> > > So I'm nearly drowned. > In my imagination an explicite "load" overwrites the symbols > unconditionally, > while "require" does a check. This is correct, it does. However, if you path is not setup correctly, things will *still* fail after that. You were saying that this is the recommended way which it is not. And it is a misconception to assume that all files that come with Emacs will always be loaded.... - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
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