From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: right customization Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 11:00:16 +0100 Message-ID: <9394C47F-93F2-4769-97F2-D33E7AA760AF@gmail.com> References: <4CCFD618.4020707@online.de> <4CD11BCD.3050001@online.de> <8C718441-AC36-4B63-8D25-0C6489CAD4A4@gmail.com> <4CD25DEB.1010203@online.de> <9BE6BB6E-0B83-4CA5-8FB8-AF4A4724D154@gmail.com> <4CD282E9.6000600@online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=50957 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PDwcH-0001Bm-4F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 06:00:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PDwcF-0000aw-Vb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 06:00:20 -0400 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:63525) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PDwcF-0000am-Po for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 06:00:19 -0400 Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so831664eyd.0 for ; Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:00:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CD282E9.6000600@online.de> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Cc: emacs-orgmode On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Andreas R=F6hler wrote: > Am 04.11.2010 09:29, schrieb Carsten Dominik: >> >> On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas R=F6hler wrote: >> >>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Carsten, >>>>> >>>>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version >>>>> >>>>> Have been told to follow instructions and load >>>>> >>>>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc") >>>> >>>> By who? >>>> >>>> the right customization is >>>> >>>> (require 'org-install). >>> >>> Hi Carsten, >>> >>> that surprises me. >>> >>> AFAIU >>> >>> (require >>> >>> only loads a feature, if it's not present already. >>> As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty-- >>> org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then >>> sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here. >> >> Hi Andreas, >> >> also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when =20 >> you (or >> some other package) issues a require. >> > > So I'm nearly drowned. > In my imagination an explicite "load" overwrites the symbols =20 > unconditionally, > while "require" does a check. This is correct, it does. However, if you path is not setup =20 correctly, things will *still* fail after that. You were saying that =20= this is the recommended way which it is not. And it is a =20 misconception to assume that all files that come with Emacs will =20 always be loaded.... - Carsten