* an annoying indentation
@ 2007-06-12 15:13 Leo
2007-06-12 16:20 ` William Henney
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 26+ messages in thread
From: Leo @ 2007-06-12 15:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Dear list,
Anyone else find the following annoying?
*** heading 1
- item 1
- item 2
Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes,
*** heading 1
- item 1
- item 2
Best,
--
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com> (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 15:13 an annoying indentation Leo @ 2007-06-12 16:20 ` William Henney 2007-06-12 18:30 ` Leo 2007-06-12 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-12 17:18 ` Rick Moynihan 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-12 16:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi Leo On 6/12/07, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone else find the following annoying? > Yes, but... > *** heading 1 > - item 1 > - item 2 > > Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, > > *** heading 1 > - item 1 > - item 2 > ... I reported this to the list last week and Carsten pointed out that it was impossible to tell whether "item 2" represented a continuation of the same list or the start of a new nested list. Although I agree with him, I feel that a saner default would be to assume the former. After all, the same reasoning applies to headings, and they /do/ work how I would expect. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 16:20 ` William Henney @ 2007-06-12 18:30 ` Leo 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-06-12 18:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode ----- William Henney (2007-06-12) wrote:----- > Hi Leo > > On 6/12/07, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: >> Anyone else find the following annoying? >> > > Yes, but... > >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, >> >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> > > ... I reported this to the list last week and Carsten pointed out that > it was impossible to tell whether "item 2" represented a continuation > of the same list or the start of a new nested list. Although I agree > with him, I feel that a saner default would be to assume the former. > After all, the same reasoning applies to headings, and they /do/ work > how I would expect. > > Cheers > > Will I think item 2 should be aligned to item 1 as the same level after TAB. If users want a sublist they could easily use 'M-<right>' to do that. However, when an item of the list is not aligned with its heading, the quickest way is to use 'TAB'. -- Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com> (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 15:13 an annoying indentation Leo 2007-06-12 16:20 ` William Henney @ 2007-06-12 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-12 16:42 ` William Henney ` (2 more replies) 2007-06-12 17:18 ` Rick Moynihan 2 siblings, 3 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-12 16:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Jun 12, 2007, at 17:13, Leo wrote: > Dear list, > > Anyone else find the following annoying? > > *** heading 1 > - item 1 > - item 2 > > Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, > > *** heading 1 > - item 1 > - item 2 The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? - Carsten > > Best, > -- > Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com> (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-12 16:42 ` William Henney 2007-06-12 17:49 ` J. David Boyd 2007-06-12 18:33 ` Leo 2 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-12 16:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On 6/12/07, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? Well, in most major modes TAB means "fix the indentation of this line", rather than "do some more indentation here" (the only exception I can think of is "shell-script-mode"). In Leo's example, it looks like he typed "item 1" and "item 2", then went back to fix the indentation with TAB. It worked for "item 1", but not for "item 2". Hope this makes things clearer. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-12 16:42 ` William Henney @ 2007-06-12 17:49 ` J. David Boyd 2007-06-12 17:55 ` William Henney 2007-06-12 18:33 ` Leo 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: J. David Boyd @ 2007-06-12 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Jun 12, 2007, at 17:13, Leo wrote: > >> Dear list, >> >> Anyone else find the following annoying? >> >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, >> >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 > > The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? > > - Carsten > >> Maybe the OP is used to using TAB to format text, as in a C or Java program. TAB just 'does the right thing' in cc-mode (I think it is), so to some people it becomes automatic to use TAB to keep the document looking good. Not a good idea in this case, of course! Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 17:49 ` J. David Boyd @ 2007-06-12 17:55 ` William Henney 2007-06-12 19:45 ` J. David Boyd 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-12 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: J. David Boyd; +Cc: Eddward DeVilla, emacs-orgmode, Leo, rick I wonder if my messages have been getting through to the list OK. I get responses from Carsten, but everyone else carries on as though they hadn't read them :( Cheers Will On 6/12/07, J. David Boyd <david@adboyd.com> wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > > > On Jun 12, 2007, at 17:13, Leo wrote: > > > >> Dear list, > >> > >> Anyone else find the following annoying? > >> > >> *** heading 1 > >> - item 1 > >> - item 2 > >> > >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, > >> > >> *** heading 1 > >> - item 1 > >> - item 2 > > > > The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? > > > > - Carsten > > > >> > > Maybe the OP is used to using TAB to format text, as in a C or Java program. > TAB just 'does the right thing' in cc-mode (I think it is), so to some people > it becomes automatic to use TAB to keep the document looking good. > > Not a good idea in this case, of course! > > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 17:55 ` William Henney @ 2007-06-12 19:45 ` J. David Boyd 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: J. David Boyd @ 2007-06-12 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode It's just time lag. We read your message, we all respond, you respond, a while later, your response shows up, longer later, our responses show up. Dave "William Henney" <whenney@gmail.com> writes: > I wonder if my messages have been getting through to the list OK. I > get responses from Carsten, but everyone else carries on as though > they hadn't read them :( > > Cheers > > Will > > On 6/12/07, J. David Boyd <david@adboyd.com> wrote: >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >> > On Jun 12, 2007, at 17:13, Leo wrote: >> > >> >> Dear list, >> >> >> >> Anyone else find the following annoying? >> >> >> >> *** heading 1 >> >> - item 1 >> >> - item 2 >> >> >> >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, >> >> >> >> *** heading 1 >> >> - item 1 >> >> - item 2 >> > >> > The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? >> > >> > - Carsten >> > >> >> >> >> Maybe the OP is used to using TAB to format text, as in a C or Java program. >> TAB just 'does the right thing' in cc-mode (I think it is), so to some people >> it becomes automatic to use TAB to keep the document looking good. >> >> Not a good idea in this case, of course! >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> > > > -- > > Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, > Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-12 16:42 ` William Henney 2007-06-12 17:49 ` J. David Boyd @ 2007-06-12 18:33 ` Leo 2007-06-14 2:51 ` Jonathan Moore 2 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-06-12 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode ----- Carsten Dominik (2007-06-12) wrote:----- >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, >> >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 > > The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? But in my case I use 'TAB' to indent. I feel 'item 2' should indent to the same level as item 1. -- Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com> (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 18:33 ` Leo @ 2007-06-14 2:51 ` Jonathan Moore 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Moore @ 2007-06-14 2:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com> writes: > > ----- Carsten Dominik (2007-06-12) wrote:----- > > >> *** heading 1 > >> - item 1 > >> - item 2 > >> > >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, > >> > >> *** heading 1 > >> - item 1 > >> - item 2 > > > > The question I have is: why would you press TAB if not to indent? > > But in my case I use 'TAB' to indent. I feel 'item 2' should indent to > the same level as item 1. > I agree with Leo that this behavior is a minor nuisance. But it is really bad if one tries an indent-region on a plain list, because indent-region-function is nil and you get things like: - item 1 - item 2 line 1 line 2 - item 3 - ... Working out a sensible place to indent to according to the style of previous list markers does not seem that hard in principle. I'd be willing to try coding an option for this. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 15:13 an annoying indentation Leo 2007-06-12 16:20 ` William Henney 2007-06-12 16:35 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-12 17:18 ` Rick Moynihan 2007-06-12 17:36 ` Eddward DeVilla 2007-06-14 12:01 ` Carsten Dominik 2 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Rick Moynihan @ 2007-06-12 17:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Leo wrote: > Dear list, > > Anyone else find the following annoying? > > *** heading 1 > - item 1 > - item 2 > > Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, > > *** heading 1 > - item 1 > - item 2 > > Best, I must admit I do run into this on occasion and it is a little annoying. It would (IMHO) be better if the first push of tab aligned with '- item 1', with subsequent tabs indenting to the next level. You should however be restricted to only going one level deeper than the above item. This said I usually create list items at the same level of indentation with M-Return. -- Rick Moynihan Software Engineer Calico Jack LTD http://www.calicojack.co.uk/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 17:18 ` Rick Moynihan @ 2007-06-12 17:36 ` Eddward DeVilla 2007-06-14 11:39 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-14 12:01 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-06-12 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rick Moynihan; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Leo On 6/12/07, Rick Moynihan <rick@calicojack.co.uk> wrote: > Leo wrote: > > Dear list, > > > > Anyone else find the following annoying? > > > > *** heading 1 > > - item 1 > > - item 2 > > > > Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, > > > > *** heading 1 > > - item 1 > > - item 2 > > > > Best, > > I must admit I do run into this on occasion and it is a little annoying. > It would (IMHO) be better if the first push of tab aligned with '- > item 1', with subsequent tabs indenting to the next level. You should > however be restricted to only going one level deeper than the above item. > > This said I usually create list items at the same level of indentation > with M-Return. I hit this a bit, but I'm pretty quick with C-S-_. Likewise I use M-return and M-S-return pretty religiously now. My problem is that M-right will insert spaces into the following line when it is blank. I keep having to clear the following line after inserting and indenting a list entry at the end of a list. Edd ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 17:36 ` Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-06-14 11:39 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-14 11:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eddward DeVilla; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Leo, Rick Moynihan On Jun 12, 2007, at 19:36, Eddward DeVilla wrote: > I hit this a bit, but I'm pretty quick with C-S-_. Likewise I use > M-return and M-S-return pretty religiously now. My problem is that > M-right will insert spaces into the following line when it is blank. > I keep having to clear the following line after inserting and > indenting a list entry at the end of a list. This problem will disappear in the next version, thanks. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-12 17:18 ` Rick Moynihan 2007-06-12 17:36 ` Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-06-14 12:01 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-14 14:45 ` Leo 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-14 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rick Moynihan; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Leo On Jun 12, 2007, at 19:18, Rick Moynihan wrote: > Leo wrote: >> Dear list, >> Anyone else find the following annoying? >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> Now hit tabwith cursor right before '-', it becomes, >> *** heading 1 >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> Best, > > I must admit I do run into this on occasion and it is a little > annoying. It would (IMHO) be better if the first push of tab aligned > with '- item 1', with subsequent tabs indenting to the next level. > You should however be restricted to only going one level deeper than > the above item. Hmmm, I am not sure if I like different results after one or two key presses. If you want to indent deeper, you can use M-right. How about the following proposal, which would rather consistently base the indentation on the line before the current. *** headline - item 1 - item 2 here we have some text - item 3 pressing TAB in each of the last 4 lines would give the following result. *** headline - item 1 - item 2 here we have some text - item 3 - Carsten > > This said I usually create list items at the same level of indentation > with M-Return. > > > -- > Rick Moynihan > Software Engineer > Calico Jack LTD > http://www.calicojack.co.uk/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 12:01 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-14 14:45 ` Leo 2007-06-14 14:57 ` John Rakestraw 2007-06-14 14:59 ` William Henney 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Leo @ 2007-06-14 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Rick Moynihan ----- Carsten Dominik (2007-06-14) wrote:----- > *** headline > - item 1 > - item 2 > here we have some text > - item 3 I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. -- Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com> (GPG Key: 9283AA3F) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 14:45 ` Leo @ 2007-06-14 14:57 ` John Rakestraw 2007-06-14 15:02 ` pete phillips 2007-06-14 14:59 ` William Henney 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: John Rakestraw @ 2007-06-14 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 819 bytes --] > ----- Carsten Dominik (2007-06-14) wrote:----- > > > *** headline > > - item 1 > > - item 2 > > here we have some text > > - item 3 In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user want > to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. > I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches more nicely the way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and others not annotated -- *** headline - item 1 Some notes about item 1, sometimes just a line, but sometimes several lines - item 2 - item 3 Notes here. (I recognize that others might have practices for which Carsten's proposal makes more sense, and I could adjust, but ....) --John [-- Attachment #1.2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 149 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 14:57 ` John Rakestraw @ 2007-06-14 15:02 ` pete phillips 2007-06-14 15:43 ` Rick Moynihan 2007-06-15 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: pete phillips @ 2007-06-14 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Rakestraw; +Cc: emacs-orgmode >>>>> "John" == John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes: John> In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: >> I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user >> want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. >> John> I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches more nicely the John> way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and John> others not annotated -- I agree with John and Leo. Pete ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 15:02 ` pete phillips @ 2007-06-14 15:43 ` Rick Moynihan 2007-06-14 15:51 ` William Henney 2007-06-15 7:50 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-15 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Rick Moynihan @ 2007-06-14 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pete phillips; +Cc: emacs-orgmode pete phillips wrote: >>>>>> "John" == John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes: > John> In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user > >> want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. > >> > > John> I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches more nicely the > John> way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and > John> others not annotated -- > > I agree with John and Leo. > > Pete > Given that my initial suggestion of multiple TAB presses goes against the Emacs grain, I'm also in favour of John of Leo as my lists aren't structured in a way consistent with Carsten's proposal. R. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 15:43 ` Rick Moynihan @ 2007-06-14 15:51 ` William Henney 2007-06-15 7:50 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-14 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rick Moynihan; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 6/14/07, Rick Moynihan <rick@calicojack.co.uk> wrote: > pete phillips wrote: > >>>>>> "John" == John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes: > > John> In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user > > >> want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. > > >> > > > > John> I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches more nicely the > > John> way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and > > John> others not annotated -- > > > > I agree with John and Leo. > > > > Pete > > > > Given that my initial suggestion of multiple TAB presses goes against > the Emacs grain, I'm also in favour of John of Leo as my lists aren't > structured in a way consistent with Carsten's proposal. > Well, there is a precedent for multiple TAB presses in python mode (see doc string below). In practice I find it a bit confusing though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- python-indent-line is an interactive compiled Lisp function in `python.el'. (python-indent-line) Indent current line as Python code. When invoked via `indent-for-tab-command', cycle through possible indentations for current line. The cycle is broken by a command different from `indent-for-tab-command', i.e. successive TABs do the cycling. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 15:43 ` Rick Moynihan 2007-06-14 15:51 ` William Henney @ 2007-06-15 7:50 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-15 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Rick Moynihan; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Jun 14, 2007, at 17:43, Rick Moynihan wrote: > pete phillips wrote: >>>>>>> "John" == John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes: >> John> In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If >> user >> >> want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. >> >> John> I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches >> more nicely the >> John> way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and >> John> others not annotated -- >> I agree with John and Leo. Pete > > Given that my initial suggestion of multiple TAB presses goes against > the Emacs grain, I'm also in favour of John of Leo as my lists aren't > structured in a way consistent with Carsten's proposal. Maybe not really against Emacs grain, but it is certainly not common to have such a command. In fact, we have one, C-a, if turned on with org-special-control-a. The problem I am seeing really is that the structure of a list in org-mode is *defined* by indentation. So there is no clean way to have TAB automatically do the right thing, certainly not with indent-region. So all this discussion can be about is what a sensible default can be - and you will have to create the structure yourself anyway. In this way, I am now tending to agree that a flat list default makes sense. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 15:02 ` pete phillips 2007-06-14 15:43 ` Rick Moynihan @ 2007-06-15 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-15 11:24 ` Dmitri Minaev 2007-06-15 13:44 ` William Henney 1 sibling, 2 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-15 6:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: pete phillips; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Jun 14, 2007, at 17:02, pete phillips wrote: >>>>>> "John" == John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes: > John> In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user >>> want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. >>> > > John> I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches more > nicely the > John> way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and > John> others not annotated -- > > I agree with John and Leo. Wow, what a turnout, and unanimous too. Note that this will also imply that a list like - item 1 - item 2 - item 2a - item 2b - item 3 would be flattened by TAB presses going from top to bottom. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-15 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-15 11:24 ` Dmitri Minaev 2007-06-15 13:44 ` William Henney 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: Dmitri Minaev @ 2007-06-15 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 6/15/07, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > > Wow, what a turnout, and unanimous too. I join the majority :) > Note that this will also imply that a list like > > - item 1 > - item 2 > - item 2a > - item 2b > - item 3 > > would be flattened by TAB presses going from top to bottom. Yes, but the list - item 1 - item 2 + item 2a + item 2b - item 3 should remain as it is, if you pardon this peremptory remark... :) -- With best regards, Dmitri Minaev Russian history blog: http://minaev.blogspot.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-15 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-15 11:24 ` Dmitri Minaev @ 2007-06-15 13:44 ` William Henney 2007-06-15 14:13 ` Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-15 13:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 6/15/07, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2007, at 17:02, pete phillips wrote: > > >>>>>> "John" == John Rakestraw <lists@johnrakestraw.com> writes: > > John> In response to which, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >>> I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user > >>> want to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. > >>> > > > > John> I agree with Leo -- or, rather, his proposal matches more > > nicely the > > John> way I work. I often have lists with some items annotated and > > John> others not annotated -- > > > > I agree with John and Leo. > > Wow, what a turnout, and unanimous too. > > Note that this will also imply that a list like > > - item 1 > - item 2 > - item 2a > - item 2b > - item 3 > > would be flattened by TAB presses going from top to bottom. > Not according to my understanding, since items 2a and 2b would fall under the "unless it already has a deeper indentation than that" clause, so TAB wouldn't touch them. I'm not sure that this is what everyone else is agreeing to though... Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-15 13:44 ` William Henney @ 2007-06-15 14:13 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-06-15 14:53 ` William Henney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 26+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-15 14:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: William Henney; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Jun 15, 2007, at 15:44, William Henney wrote: >> Note that this will also imply that a list like >> >> - item 1 >> - item 2 >> - item 2a >> - item 2b >> - item 3 >> >> would be flattened by TAB presses going from top to bottom. >> > > Not according to my understanding, since items 2a and 2b would fall > under the "unless it already has a deeper indentation than that" > clause, so TAB wouldn't touch them. I'm not sure that this is what > everyone else is agreeing to though... Yes, I did notice that extra bit in your proposal. However, I think it will easily lead to unwanted behavior as well: ** heading - item 1 - item 2 - item 3 will get you: ** heading - item 1 - item 2 - item 3 after doing the TAB dance. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-15 14:13 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-06-15 14:53 ` William Henney 0 siblings, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-15 14:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 6/15/07, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > Yes, I did notice that extra bit in your proposal. However, > I think it will easily lead to unwanted behavior as well: > > ** heading > - item 1 > - item 2 > - item 3 > > will get you: > > ** heading > - item 1 > - item 2 > - item 3 > Yes, you are right. Probably best keep it as simple as possible then. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
* Re: an annoying indentation 2007-06-14 14:45 ` Leo 2007-06-14 14:57 ` John Rakestraw @ 2007-06-14 14:59 ` William Henney 1 sibling, 0 replies; 26+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2007-06-14 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Rick Moynihan On 6/14/07, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote: > ----- Carsten Dominik (2007-06-14) wrote:----- > > > *** headline > > - item 1 > > - item 2 > > here we have some text > > - item 3 > > I think '- item 3' still should be aligned to '- item 2'. If user want > to move the item deeper, 'M-right' can be used. Agreed. IMHO hitting TAB on item 3 should produce the same indentation as hitting M-return on the previous line /unless/ it already has a deeper indentation than that. Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 26+ messages in thread
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