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From: "Phillip Lord" <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: emacs-org list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch?
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2017 23:21:43 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1fb7ff3c108cc0421ee1b6ac3d6122c9.squirrel@cloud103.planethippo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m3k299219l.fsf@stories>

On Wed, February 1, 2017 6:51 pm, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Aaron Ecay <aaronecay@gmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> If ELPA made available (on the server for downloading, and in the
>> client for installing) old versions of packages, then users could always
>> be offered the latest compatible version, but not later incompatible
>> ones.
>
> I don't think having Emacs developers fixing bugs in a number of
> different versions of a package sounds like a good way to spend time,
> either.

Well, they do that anyway. Org-mode, in Emacs core is quite a way behind
org-mode latest. That's the start point of this discussion. And, for
packages which are maintained only in core (not synced to an external repo
like org), well, we currently have Emacs-25 and Emacs-26 in active
development.

Currently development of Emacs core with slow releases contributes to
this, because the old versions of org remain around and in active use for
a long period of time. In the case of org, this was exacerbated when it
changed the features it provides, meaning that upgrading to ELPA worked
imperfectly.

There is even a reasonable possibility that with a smaller core, and
faster releases, fewer changes would happen in core, so supporting
multiple versions might well become easier because the differences would
be smaller.

These are complex questions, and it's hard to get evidence one way or
another. But many other systems do support numerous small packages,
building up into a greater whole: consider npm, CPAN, CRAN, CTAN or,
indeed, debian. And, yes, sometimes we do end up in version hell, but
mostly we don't.

Phil

  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-01 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-25 16:39 Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch? Kaushal Modi
2017-01-25 16:54 ` Rasmus
2017-01-25 20:31   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <874m0maq9e.fsf@gmx.us>
     [not found]       ` <jwvwpdhj43d.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org>
2017-01-26 15:01         ` Kaushal Modi
2017-01-26 15:39           ` Kyle Meyer
2017-01-26 16:01             ` Kaushal Modi
2017-01-26 16:36               ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-29 19:06                 ` John Wiegley
2017-01-26  6:19   ` Kyle Meyer
2017-01-26  8:26   ` Michael Albinus
2017-01-29 19:15 ` John Wiegley
2017-01-30  1:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-30  7:47   ` David Engster
2017-01-30 15:59     ` John Wiegley
2017-01-30 18:51       ` Edward John Steere
2017-02-03  2:01         ` John Wiegley
2017-02-04 16:30           ` David Engster
2017-01-30 19:28       ` David Engster
2017-01-30 21:52         ` John Wiegley
2017-01-31 14:22           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-01-31 15:08             ` John Wiegley
2017-01-31 15:15               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-01-31 15:31                 ` David Engster
2017-01-31 15:33                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-01-31 21:55             ` Stephen Leake
2017-02-01 18:48               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-01-31 23:19             ` Aaron Ecay
2017-02-01 18:51               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-02-01 23:21                 ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2017-02-02 14:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-31 15:45           ` David Engster
2017-02-02  2:56             ` John Wiegley
2017-02-02 12:10               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-02-02 14:09                 ` John Wiegley
2017-02-02 14:34                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-02-02 14:23                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-02-02 17:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-02 17:47                   ` David Engster
2017-02-02 20:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-02 20:57                       ` David Engster
2017-02-02 21:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-02 14:50               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-03  1:55                 ` Using CEDET modules from Emacs core John Wiegley
2017-02-03  4:24                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-05  7:40                     ` Edward John Steere
2017-02-12  2:15                     ` John Wiegley
2017-02-12  3:33                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-12 16:00                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-02-14 22:51                           ` Eric Ludlam
2017-02-14 23:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-02 16:30               ` Sync up the org in emacs master to org maint branch? David Engster
2017-02-02 18:17                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-03  1:54                 ` John Wiegley
2017-02-03  4:41                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-02-03 16:05                   ` David Engster
2017-02-05  9:03                     ` Edward John Steere
2017-02-05 15:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-05 16:59                       ` David Engster
2017-02-05 20:36                         ` Edward John Steere
2017-02-06 22:03                           ` David Engster
2017-02-07 17:18                             ` Edward John Steere
2017-02-12  2:46                     ` John Wiegley
2017-02-12 15:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-02-12 23:33                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-01-31 14:42         ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]   ` <WM!417e241b26f9ffab5c4a5fb52e8ccb8dd78efd1b242df281924e708a87f0c07486b9d0c1eee555fb39c40d66f9d657b3!@mailhub-mx4.ncl.ac.uk>
2017-02-06 10:00     ` Phillip Lord
2017-02-12  2:22       ` John Wiegley

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