* Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j @ 2010-04-28 17:42 David Frascone 2010-04-28 19:09 ` Nathan Neff 2010-04-28 20:07 ` Matt Lundin 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: David Frascone @ 2010-04-28 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 370 bytes --] **** Jump - seems really hard to use. C-c C-j. Opens help window with cursor in it, so I have to C-x o to get to Org-goto window. Then, once in the goto window, hitting tab opens the subtree, but pressing a down arrow again goes back to the top. Seems very useless for actually finding anything. Am I using it wrong? Dropping a mark and C-x C-x seems much easier. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 403 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-28 17:42 Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j David Frascone @ 2010-04-28 19:09 ` Nathan Neff 2010-04-28 22:56 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-04-28 20:07 ` Matt Lundin 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Nathan Neff @ 2010-04-28 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> wrote: > > **** Jump - seems really hard to use. > I agree -- I've been on a quest to easily navigate my org-files also. > C-c C-j. Opens help window with cursor in it, so I have to C-x o to > get to Org-goto window. I use Aquamacs, and the help window sometimes pops out, and sometimes stays in the main frame. It's annoying. >Then, once in the goto window, hitting tab > opens the subtree, but pressing a down arrow again goes back to the > top. Seems very useless for actually finding anything. Am I using it > wrong? Dropping a mark and C-x C-x seems much easier. I would also like to know how to best navigate the *org-goto* buffer. I can jump back & forth between search results using C-s and C-S s but it seems very clumsy. Personally, I've been using M-x occur I have M-n and M-p bound to next-error and prev-error, to go back & forth between search results. HTH, --Nate > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-28 19:09 ` Nathan Neff @ 2010-04-28 22:56 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-04-29 14:27 ` David Frascone 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-28 22:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nathan Neff; +Cc: David Frascone, emacs-orgmode On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:09:22 -0500, Nathan Neff <nathan.neff@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> wrote: > > > > **** Jump - seems really hard to use. > > > > I agree -- I've been on a quest to easily navigate my org-files also. > > > C-c C-j. Opens help window with cursor in it, so I have to C-x o to > > get to Org-goto window. > > I use Aquamacs, and the help window sometimes pops out, and sometimes > stays in the main frame. It's annoying. I'm not sure what either of you is saying here. C-c C-j works very simply: the little help window pops up but the key sequences (arrows and TAB basically) allow me to move in the original buffer until I hit RET at which point the popup disappears and I'm in the original buffer at the new location. Am I missing something? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-28 22:56 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-29 14:27 ` David Frascone 2010-04-29 14:37 ` Anthony Lander 2010-04-29 14:56 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: David Frascone @ 2010-04-29 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1177 bytes --] On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:09:22 -0500, Nathan Neff <nathan.neff@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> > wrote: > > > > > > **** Jump - seems really hard to use. > > > > > > > I agree -- I've been on a quest to easily navigate my org-files also. > > > > > C-c C-j. Opens help window with cursor in it, so I have to C-x o to > > > get to Org-goto window. > > > > I use Aquamacs, and the help window sometimes pops out, and sometimes > > stays in the main frame. It's annoying. > > I'm not sure what either of you is saying here. C-c C-j works very > simply: the little help window pops up but the key sequences (arrows > and TAB basically) allow me to move in the original buffer until I hit > RET at which point the popup disappears and I'm in the original buffer > at the new location. > > Am I missing something? > When I did that, it started with all of the headings closed. If I'm looking for something nested, it's VERY hard to use, or, I am doing something wrong. See how easy it is for you to find something at level 3, for example. [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1694 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 14:27 ` David Frascone @ 2010-04-29 14:37 ` Anthony Lander 2010-04-29 14:56 ` Eric S Fraga 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Anthony Lander @ 2010-04-29 14:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode List [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1123 bytes --] On 10-Apr-29, at 10:27 AM, David Frascone wrote: > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> > wrote: > > I'm not sure what either of you is saying here. C-c C-j works very > simply: the little help window pops up but the key sequences (arrows > and TAB basically) allow me to move in the original buffer until I hit > RET at which point the popup disappears and I'm in the original buffer > at the new location. > > Am I missing something? > > When I did that, it started with all of the headings closed. If I'm > looking for something nested, it's VERY hard to use, or, I am doing > something wrong. See how easy it is for you to find something at > level 3, for example. David, You are also able to do incremental search from the jump command. Just start typing the level 3 heading you're looking for, and you will be brought there as if you used C-s. -Anthony > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 1890 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 14:27 ` David Frascone 2010-04-29 14:37 ` Anthony Lander @ 2010-04-29 14:56 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-04-29 15:15 ` David Frascone 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-29 14:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2125 bytes --] On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 08:27:58 -0600, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:56 PM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > > > On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:09:22 -0500, Nathan Neff <nathan.neff@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:42 PM, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > **** Jump - seems really hard to use. > > > > > > > > > > I agree -- I've been on a quest to easily navigate my org-files also. > > > > > > > C-c C-j. Opens help window with cursor in it, so I have to C-x o to > > > > get to Org-goto window. > > > > > > I use Aquamacs, and the help window sometimes pops out, and sometimes > > > stays in the main frame. It's annoying. > > > > I'm not sure what either of you is saying here. C-c C-j works very > > simply: the little help window pops up but the key sequences (arrows > > and TAB basically) allow me to move in the original buffer until I hit > > RET at which point the popup disappears and I'm in the original buffer > > at the new location. > > > > Am I missing something? > > > > When I did that, it started with all of the headings closed. If I'm looking > for something nested, it's VERY hard to use, or, I am doing something > wrong. See how easy it is for you to find something at level 3, for > example. Use the arrow keys to navigate to the top level heading, hit TAB to expand the next level in that sub-tree, use the arrow keys again, hit TAB on the second level heading, and recurse... I find this quite intuitive and easy to use. of course, this assumes you know the hierarchy (i.e. under which higher level headings your particular destination is to be found). if you don't know the hierarchy, I would suggest doing an expansion of the whole file into the headings view (I can't remember what it is called but C-u TAB cycles through the different views) and search using C-s instead... remembering that you always have the full power of emacs at hand which is partly what makes org so powerful! For example, you can also use M-x occur RET to search for particular strings in the whole file. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 75 bytes --] -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 14:56 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-29 15:15 ` David Frascone 2010-04-29 15:27 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-04-29 15:42 ` Nick Dokos 0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: David Frascone @ 2010-04-29 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1488 bytes --] On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > When I did that, it started with all of the headings closed. If I'm > looking > > for something nested, it's VERY hard to use, or, I am doing something > > wrong. See how easy it is for you to find something at level 3, for > > example. > > Use the arrow keys to navigate to the top level heading, hit TAB to > expand the next level in that sub-tree, use the arrow keys again, hit > TAB on the second level heading, and recurse... I find this quite > intuitive and easy to use. > TAB was the secret here. I was using arrows, the right arrow, in particular, to try to traverse the hierarchy. With tab, it is now very useful, except for aquamacs opening the help in another window. I think I need to go back to Emacs.app > > of course, this assumes you know the hierarchy (i.e. under which > higher level headings your particular destination is to be found). if > you don't know the hierarchy, I would suggest doing an expansion of > the whole file into the headings view (I can't remember what it is > called but C-u TAB cycles through the different views) and search > using C-s instead... remembering that you always have the full power > of emacs at hand which is partly what makes org so powerful! For > example, you can also use > > M-x occur RET > > to search for particular strings in the whole file. > > -- > Eric S Fraga > GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D > > [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 2067 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 15:15 ` David Frascone @ 2010-04-29 15:27 ` Eric S Fraga 2010-04-29 15:37 ` Carsten Dominik 2010-04-29 15:42 ` Nick Dokos 1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-29 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1141 bytes --] On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:15:53 -0600, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: > > > > > > > > > When I did that, it started with all of the headings closed. If I'm > > looking > > > for something nested, it's VERY hard to use, or, I am doing something > > > wrong. See how easy it is for you to find something at level 3, for > > > example. > > > > Use the arrow keys to navigate to the top level heading, hit TAB to > > expand the next level in that sub-tree, use the arrow keys again, hit > > TAB on the second level heading, and recurse... I find this quite > > intuitive and easy to use. > > > > TAB was the secret here. I was using arrows, the right arrow, in > particular, to try to traverse the hierarchy. With tab, it is now very > useful, Ah, excellent! > except for aquamacs opening the help in another window. I think I > need to go back to Emacs.app This, unfortunately, I cannot help with, having never used a Mac... (I'm linux 100% and have been since '92). I have no idea what the difference between Emacs.app and Aquamacs may be... [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 75 bytes --] -- Eric S Fraga GnuPG: 8F5C 279D 3907 E14A 5C29 570D C891 93D8 FFFC F67D [-- Attachment #3: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 15:27 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-29 15:37 ` Carsten Dominik 2010-04-29 17:31 ` William Henney 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-04-29 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric S Fraga; +Cc: David Frascone, emacs-orgmode On Apr 29, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:15:53 -0600, David Frascone > <dave@frascone.com> wrote: >> >> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> >>>> >>>> When I did that, it started with all of the headings closed. If >>>> I'm >>> looking >>>> for something nested, it's VERY hard to use, or, I am doing >>>> something >>>> wrong. See how easy it is for you to find something at level 3, >>>> for >>>> example. >>> >>> Use the arrow keys to navigate to the top level heading, hit TAB to >>> expand the next level in that sub-tree, use the arrow keys again, >>> hit >>> TAB on the second level heading, and recurse... I find this quite >>> intuitive and easy to use. >>> >> >> TAB was the secret here. I was using arrows, the right arrow, in >> particular, to try to traverse the hierarchy. With tab, it is now >> very >> useful, > > Ah, excellent! > >> except for aquamacs opening the help in another window. I think I >> need to go back to Emacs.app > > This, unfortunately, I cannot help with, having never used a > Mac... (I'm linux 100% and have been since '92). I have no idea what > the difference between Emacs.app and Aquamacs may be... AquaEmacs tries to be like other Mac Applications, which all open a new frame for each document. I think you can get i back to more normal Emacs behavior by customizing `pop-up-frames', `pop-up-windows', `display-buffer-reuse-frames'. - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 15:37 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2010-04-29 17:31 ` William Henney 2010-04-29 18:58 ` David Frascone 0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread From: William Henney @ 2010-04-29 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: David Frascone, emacs-orgmode Hi all On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2010, at 5:27 PM, Eric S Fraga wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 09:15:53 -0600, David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Eric S Fraga <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> wrote: >>> >>> except for aquamacs opening the help in another window. I think I >>> need to go back to Emacs.app >> >> This, unfortunately, I cannot help with, having never used a >> Mac... (I'm linux 100% and have been since '92). I have no idea what >> the difference between Emacs.app and Aquamacs may be... > > AquaEmacs tries to be like other Mac Applications, which all open a new > frame for each document. > > I think you can get i back to more normal Emacs behavior by customizing > > `pop-up-frames', `pop-up-windows', `display-buffer-reuse-frames'. > Actually, I think you just need to do (setq special-display-regexps nil) to get Aquamacs to behave "properly" See http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/AquamacsEmacsCompatibilitySettings Cheers Will -- Dr William Henney, Centro de Radioastronomía y Astrofísica, Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México, Campus Morelia ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 17:31 ` William Henney @ 2010-04-29 18:58 ` David Frascone 0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: David Frascone @ 2010-04-29 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: William Henney; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Carsten Dominik [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 222 bytes --] On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:31 AM, William Henney <whenney@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Actually, I think you just need to do > > (setq special-display-regexps nil) > > to get Aquamacs to behave "properly" > > That one did it! [-- Attachment #1.2: Type: text/html, Size: 525 bytes --] [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/plain, Size: 201 bytes --] _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-29 15:15 ` David Frascone 2010-04-29 15:27 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2010-04-29 15:42 ` Nick Dokos 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2010-04-29 15:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> wrote: > ... > TAB was the secret here. I was using arrows, the right arrow, in particular, to try to traverse the hierarchy. With tab, it is now very useful, except > for aquamacs opening the help in another window. I think I need to go back to Emacs.app > [disclaimer: I don't know anything about aquamacs.] I see org-get-location creating the help buffer and trying *not* to pop up a frame by (let (... (pop-up-frames nil) ...) ...) Maybe you can check the global value of the pop-up-frames variable? If non-nil, set it to nil and try again (although that's going to change other things as well.) If it's nil, then I throw up my hands. But if that stops the frame from popping up, that might indicate a bug in the aquamacs emacs-lisp implementation: I think the setting above should percolate down so that when display-buffer gets called, it should listen to it. Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
* Re: Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j 2010-04-28 17:42 Does anyone use "Jump" C-c C-j David Frascone 2010-04-28 19:09 ` Nathan Neff @ 2010-04-28 20:07 ` Matt Lundin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread From: Matt Lundin @ 2010-04-28 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Frascone; +Cc: emacs-orgmode David Frascone <dave@frascone.com> writes: > **** Jump - seems really hard to use. > > C-c C-j. Opens help window with cursor in it, so I have to C-x o to > get to Org-goto window. Then, once in the goto window, hitting tab > opens the subtree, but pressing a down arrow again goes back to the > top. Seems very useless for actually finding anything. Am I using it > wrong? Dropping a mark and C-x C-x seems much easier. There is another (and IMO more convenient) interface for org-goto (C-c C-j). To test it, try the following setting: (setq org-goto-interface 'outline-path-completion) Otherwise, you can try fiddling with the other org-goto variables. Type "C-h v org-goto [TAB]" for a full list. - Matt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread
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