* table.el and org.el
@ 2006-06-05 0:14 T. V. Raman
2006-06-05 11:29 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: T. V. Raman @ 2006-06-05 0:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
I'm losing table-mode keybindings when I create table.el tables
in org-mode.
This may be due to interction with emacspeak --- see explanation
below, but I need some tips on how to fix this.
Symptoms:
I can use table.el tables in non-org buffers.
In org-buffer, if I create a table.el table I get problems.
Explanation of Problem:
Emacspeak redefines self-insert-command since that command cannot
be advised.
table.el also redefines and rebinds self-insert-command, and I
have advised table.el's insertion commands, that works correctly.
table.el sets up a special keymap where it rebinds
self-insert-command; I've advised the remapping command to become
aware of the need to also rebind emacspeak's version of
self-insert command.
For some reason there seems to be some interaction between
table.el and org-mode that causes the final step in the above
chain to fail.
Thoughts?
--
Best Regards,
--raman
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* Re: table.el and org.el
2006-06-05 0:14 table.el and org.el T. V. Raman
@ 2006-06-05 11:29 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-05 13:03 ` T. V. Raman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-05 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: raman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
I have never closely looked at how table.el works and how it creates
and installs its special keymap. Nor do I know what Emacs speak does.
But I can explain what Org-mode does:
Org-mode defines its own self-insert-command (org-self-insert-command).
It then re-binds all keys that are assigned to self-insert-command in
the *global* map. That binding takes place in org-mode-map. However,
for me table.el works fine - so that means it does install its keymap
correctly also in Org-mode.
To summarize - I have no idea where things go wrong.
Things to try would be to (require 'table) before org.el gets loaded,
and maybe (if that if necessary) to force table.tl to built its keymap
before the first org-mode file gets loaded.
- Carsten
On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:14, T. V. Raman wrote:
> I'm losing table-mode keybindings when I create table.el tables
> in org-mode.
>
> This may be due to interction with emacspeak --- see explanation
> below, but I need some tips on how to fix this.
>
> Symptoms:
>
> I can use table.el tables in non-org buffers.
>
> In org-buffer, if I create a table.el table I get problems.
>
> Explanation of Problem:
>
> Emacspeak redefines self-insert-command since that command cannot
> be advised.
> table.el also redefines and rebinds self-insert-command, and I
> have advised table.el's insertion commands, that works correctly.
>
> table.el sets up a special keymap where it rebinds
> self-insert-command; I've advised the remapping command to become
> aware of the need to also rebind emacspeak's version of
> self-insert command.
>
> For some reason there seems to be some interaction between
> table.el and org-mode that causes the final step in the above
> chain to fail.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> --raman
>
>
> Email: raman@users.sf.net
> WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/
> AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com
> PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc
> Google: tv+raman
> IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
>
--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477
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* Re: table.el and org.el
2006-06-05 11:29 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-05 13:03 ` T. V. Raman
2007-01-17 3:40 ` timotheus
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: T. V. Raman @ 2006-06-05 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
I hadn't realized org-mode-map did its own rebindings; that
should be sufficient in terms of clues for me to trace this down.
>>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
Carsten> I have never closely looked at how table.el works
Carsten> and how it creates and installs its special keymap.
Carsten> Nor do I know what Emacs speak does.
Carsten>
Carsten> But I can explain what Org-mode does:
Carsten>
Carsten> Org-mode defines its own self-insert-command
Carsten> (org-self-insert-command). It then re-binds all
Carsten> keys that are assigned to self-insert-command in the
Carsten> *global* map. That binding takes place in
Carsten> org-mode-map. However, for me table.el works fine -
Carsten> so that means it does install its keymap correctly
Carsten> also in Org-mode.
Carsten>
Carsten> To summarize - I have no idea where things go wrong.
Carsten>
Carsten> Things to try would be to (require 'table) before
Carsten> org.el gets loaded, and maybe (if that if necessary)
Carsten> to force table.tl to built its keymap before the
Carsten> first org-mode file gets loaded.
Carsten>
Carsten> - Carsten
Carsten>
Carsten> On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:14, T. V. Raman wrote:
Carsten>
>> I'm losing table-mode keybindings when I create table.el
>> tables in org-mode.
>>
>> This may be due to interction with emacspeak --- see
>> explanation below, but I need some tips on how to fix
>> this.
>>
>> Symptoms:
>>
>> I can use table.el tables in non-org buffers.
>>
>> In org-buffer, if I create a table.el table I get
>> problems.
>>
>> Explanation of Problem:
>>
>> Emacspeak redefines self-insert-command since that command
>> cannot be advised. table.el also redefines and rebinds
>> self-insert-command, and I have advised table.el's
>> insertion commands, that works correctly.
>>
>> table.el sets up a special keymap where it rebinds
>> self-insert-command; I've advised the remapping command to
>> become aware of the need to also rebind emacspeak's
>> version of self-insert command.
>>
>> For some reason there seems to be some interaction between
>> table.el and org-mode that causes the final step in the
>> above chain to fail.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards, --raman
>>
>>
>> Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW:
>> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk:
>> tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP:
>> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google:
>> tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>>
Carsten> --
Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Carsten> Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ
Carsten> Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477
--
Best Regards,
--raman
Email: raman@users.sf.net
WWW: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/
AIM: emacspeak GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com
PGP: http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc
Google: tv+raman
IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread* Re: table.el and org.el
2006-06-05 13:03 ` T. V. Raman
@ 2007-01-17 3:40 ` timotheus
2007-01-31 18:12 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: timotheus @ 2007-01-17 3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
"T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sf.net> writes:
> I hadn't realized org-mode-map did its own rebindings; that
> should be sufficient in terms of clues for me to trace this down.
>
Hi. Were you able to solve the issue of the missing `table.el' bindings while
in org-mode? I am experiencing the same difficulty.
With Emacs CVS pretest (22.0.92) both the included CVS `org.el' and the latest
release of `org.el' cannot edit `table.el' tables correctly.
After a `C-c ~', the `table.el' table is created and table bindings are in
effect. However, after moving the point by one character, the bindings revert
to org-mode bindings. For example, C-< is no longer bound, and the table does
not auto size itself (not in fixed-width mode). Upon pressing `TAB' in the
first column of a row, `org' prints `recognizing table.el table... done' each
and every time.
An example of the issue:
+-----+-----+-----+
|some silly text | | |
+-----+-----+-----+
| | | |
+-----+-----+-----+
| | | |
+-----+-----+-----+
The table never auto sizes, and once the sizing is broken, so is TAB-based
navigation.
I tried the suggests of loading `table.el' first, to no avail. Any ideas?
Thanks & regards,
-timotheus
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* Re: Re: table.el and org.el
2007-01-17 3:40 ` timotheus
@ 2007-01-31 18:12 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-01-31 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: timotheus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
I have not been able to reproduce this problem, anyone else?
- Carsten
On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:40, timotheus wrote:
> "T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sf.net> writes:
>
>> I hadn't realized org-mode-map did its own rebindings; that
>> should be sufficient in terms of clues for me to trace this down.
>>
>
> Hi. Were you able to solve the issue of the missing `table.el'
> bindings while
> in org-mode? I am experiencing the same difficulty.
>
> With Emacs CVS pretest (22.0.92) both the included CVS `org.el' and
> the latest
> release of `org.el' cannot edit `table.el' tables correctly.
>
> After a `C-c ~', the `table.el' table is created and table bindings
> are in
> effect. However, after moving the point by one character, the bindings
> revert
> to org-mode bindings. For example, C-< is no longer bound, and the
> table does
> not auto size itself (not in fixed-width mode). Upon pressing `TAB' in
> the
> first column of a row, `org' prints `recognizing table.el table...
> done' each
> and every time.
>
> An example of the issue:
> +-----+-----+-----+
> |some silly text | | |
> +-----+-----+-----+
> | | | |
> +-----+-----+-----+
> | | | |
> +-----+-----+-----+
>
> The table never auto sizes, and once the sizing is broken, so is
> TAB-based
> navigation.
>
> I tried the suggests of loading `table.el' first, to no avail. Any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks & regards,
> -timotheus
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
>
--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477
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