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* table.el and org.el
@ 2006-06-05  0:14 T. V. Raman
  2006-06-05 11:29 ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: T. V. Raman @ 2006-06-05  0:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

I'm losing table-mode keybindings when I create table.el tables
in org-mode.

This may be due to interction with emacspeak --- see explanation
below, but I need some tips on how to fix this.

Symptoms:

I can use table.el tables in non-org buffers.

In org-buffer, if I create a table.el  table I get problems.

Explanation of Problem:

Emacspeak redefines self-insert-command since that command cannot
be advised.
table.el also redefines and rebinds self-insert-command, and I
have advised table.el's insertion commands, that works correctly.

table.el sets up a special keymap where it rebinds
self-insert-command; I've advised the remapping command to become
aware of the need to also rebind emacspeak's  version of
self-insert command.

For some reason there seems to be some interaction between
table.el and org-mode that causes the final step in the above
chain to fail.

Thoughts?

-- 
Best Regards,
--raman

      
Email:  raman@users.sf.net
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• * Re: table.el and org.el
    2006-06-05  0:14 table.el and org.el T. V. Raman
  @ 2006-06-05 11:29 ` Carsten Dominik
    2006-06-05 13:03   ` T. V. Raman
    0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
  From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-05 11:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: raman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  I have never closely looked at how table.el works and how it creates 
  and installs its special keymap.  Nor do I know what Emacs speak does.
  
  But I can explain what Org-mode does:
  
  Org-mode defines its own self-insert-command (org-self-insert-command). 
    It then re-binds all keys that are assigned to self-insert-command in 
  the *global* map.  That binding takes place in org-mode-map.  However, 
  for me table.el works fine - so that means it does install its keymap 
  correctly also in Org-mode.
  
  To summarize - I have no idea where things go wrong.
  
  Things to try would be to (require 'table) before org.el gets loaded, 
  and maybe (if that if necessary) to force table.tl to built its keymap 
  before the first org-mode file gets loaded.
  
  - Carsten
  
  On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:14, T. V. Raman wrote:
  
  > I'm losing table-mode keybindings when I create table.el tables
  > in org-mode.
  >
  > This may be due to interction with emacspeak --- see explanation
  > below, but I need some tips on how to fix this.
  >
  > Symptoms:
  >
  > I can use table.el tables in non-org buffers.
  >
  > In org-buffer, if I create a table.el  table I get problems.
  >
  > Explanation of Problem:
  >
  > Emacspeak redefines self-insert-command since that command cannot
  > be advised.
  > table.el also redefines and rebinds self-insert-command, and I
  > have advised table.el's insertion commands, that works correctly.
  >
  > table.el sets up a special keymap where it rebinds
  > self-insert-command; I've advised the remapping command to become
  > aware of the need to also rebind emacspeak's  version of
  > self-insert command.
  >
  > For some reason there seems to be some interaction between
  > table.el and org-mode that causes the final step in the above
  > chain to fail.
  >
  > Thoughts?
  >
  > -- 
  > Best Regards,
  > --raman
  >
  >
  > Email:  raman@users.sf.net
  > WWW:    http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/
  > AIM:    emacspeak       GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com
  > PGP:    http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc
  > Google: tv+raman
  > IRC:    irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
  > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
  > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
  >
  >
  
  --
  Carsten Dominik
  Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
  Universiteit van Amsterdam
  Kruislaan 403
  NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
  phone: +31 20 525 7477
  
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• • * Re: table.el and org.el
      2006-06-05 11:29 ` Carsten Dominik
    @ 2006-06-05 13:03   ` T. V. Raman
      2007-01-17  3:40     ` timotheus
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
    From: T. V. Raman @ 2006-06-05 13:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
    
    
    I hadn't realized org-mode-map did its own rebindings; that
    should be sufficient in terms of clues for me to trace this down.
    
    
    
    >>>>> "Carsten" == Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
        Carsten> I have never closely looked at how table.el works
        Carsten> and how it creates and installs its special keymap.
        Carsten> Nor do I know what Emacs speak does.
        Carsten> 
        Carsten> But I can explain what Org-mode does:
        Carsten> 
        Carsten> Org-mode defines its own self-insert-command
        Carsten> (org-self-insert-command).  It then re-binds all
        Carsten> keys that are assigned to self-insert-command in the
        Carsten> *global* map.  That binding takes place in
        Carsten> org-mode-map.  However, for me table.el works fine -
        Carsten> so that means it does install its keymap correctly
        Carsten> also in Org-mode.
        Carsten> 
        Carsten> To summarize - I have no idea where things go wrong.
        Carsten> 
        Carsten> Things to try would be to (require 'table) before
        Carsten> org.el gets loaded, and maybe (if that if necessary)
        Carsten> to force table.tl to built its keymap before the
        Carsten> first org-mode file gets loaded.
        Carsten> 
        Carsten> - Carsten
        Carsten> 
        Carsten> On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:14, T. V. Raman wrote:
        Carsten> 
        >> I'm losing table-mode keybindings when I create table.el
        >> tables in org-mode.
        >> 
        >> This may be due to interction with emacspeak --- see
        >> explanation below, but I need some tips on how to fix
        >> this.
        >> 
        >> Symptoms:
        >> 
        >> I can use table.el tables in non-org buffers.
        >> 
        >> In org-buffer, if I create a table.el table I get
        >> problems.
        >> 
        >> Explanation of Problem:
        >> 
        >> Emacspeak redefines self-insert-command since that command
        >> cannot be advised.  table.el also redefines and rebinds
        >> self-insert-command, and I have advised table.el's
        >> insertion commands, that works correctly.
        >> 
        >> table.el sets up a special keymap where it rebinds
        >> self-insert-command; I've advised the remapping command to
        >> become aware of the need to also rebind emacspeak's
        >> version of self-insert command.
        >> 
        >> For some reason there seems to be some interaction between
        >> table.el and org-mode that causes the final step in the
        >> above chain to fail.
        >> 
        >> Thoughts?
        >> 
        >> -- 
        >> Best Regards, --raman
        >> 
        >> 
        >> Email: raman@users.sf.net WWW:
        >> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/ AIM: emacspeak GTalk:
        >> tv.raman.tv@gmail.com PGP:
        >> http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc Google:
        >> tv+raman IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
        >> 
        >> 
        >> _______________________________________________
        >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
        >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
        >> 
        >> 
        Carsten> --
    Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
        Carsten> Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ
        Carsten> Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477
    
    -- 
    Best Regards,
    --raman
    
          
    Email:  raman@users.sf.net
    WWW:    http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/
    AIM:    emacspeak       GTalk: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com
    PGP:    http://emacspeak.sf.net/raman/raman-almaden.asc
    Google: tv+raman 
    IRC:    irc://irc.freenode.net/#emacs
    
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  • • * Re: table.el and org.el
        2006-06-05 13:03   ` T. V. Raman
      @ 2007-01-17  3:40     ` timotheus
        2007-01-31 18:12       ` Carsten Dominik
        0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
      From: timotheus @ 2007-01-17  3:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: emacs-orgmode
      
      "T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sf.net> writes:
      
      > I hadn't realized org-mode-map did its own rebindings; that
      > should be sufficient in terms of clues for me to trace this down.
      >
      
      Hi. Were you able to solve the issue of the missing `table.el' bindings while
      in org-mode? I am experiencing the same difficulty.
      
      With Emacs CVS pretest (22.0.92) both the included CVS `org.el' and the latest
      release of `org.el' cannot edit `table.el' tables correctly.
      
      After a `C-c ~', the `table.el' table is created and table bindings are in
      effect. However, after moving the point by one character, the bindings revert
      to org-mode bindings. For example, C-< is no longer bound, and the table does
      not auto size itself (not in fixed-width mode). Upon pressing `TAB' in the
      first column of a row, `org' prints `recognizing table.el table... done' each
      and every time.
      
      An example of the issue:
      +-----+-----+-----+
      |some silly text |     |     |
      +-----+-----+-----+
      |     |     |     |
      +-----+-----+-----+
      |     |     |     |
      +-----+-----+-----+
      
      The table never auto sizes, and once the sizing is broken, so is TAB-based
      navigation.
      
      I tried the suggests of loading `table.el' first, to no avail. Any ideas?
      
      Thanks & regards,
      -timotheus
      
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    • • * Re: Re: table.el and org.el
          2007-01-17  3:40     ` timotheus
        @ 2007-01-31 18:12       ` Carsten Dominik
          0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
        From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-01-31 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: timotheus; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
        
        I have not been able to reproduce this problem, anyone else?
        
        - Carsten
        
        On Jan 17, 2007, at 4:40, timotheus wrote:
        
        > "T. V. Raman" <raman@users.sf.net> writes:
        >
        >> I hadn't realized org-mode-map did its own rebindings; that
        >> should be sufficient in terms of clues for me to trace this down.
        >>
        >
        > Hi. Were you able to solve the issue of the missing `table.el' 
        > bindings while
        > in org-mode? I am experiencing the same difficulty.
        >
        > With Emacs CVS pretest (22.0.92) both the included CVS `org.el' and 
        > the latest
        > release of `org.el' cannot edit `table.el' tables correctly.
        >
        > After a `C-c ~', the `table.el' table is created and table bindings 
        > are in
        > effect. However, after moving the point by one character, the bindings 
        > revert
        > to org-mode bindings. For example, C-< is no longer bound, and the 
        > table does
        > not auto size itself (not in fixed-width mode). Upon pressing `TAB' in 
        > the
        > first column of a row, `org' prints `recognizing table.el table... 
        > done' each
        > and every time.
        >
        > An example of the issue:
        > +-----+-----+-----+
        > |some silly text |     |     |
        > +-----+-----+-----+
        > |     |     |     |
        > +-----+-----+-----+
        > |     |     |     |
        > +-----+-----+-----+
        >
        > The table never auto sizes, and once the sizing is broken, so is 
        > TAB-based
        > navigation.
        >
        > I tried the suggests of loading `table.el' first, to no avail. Any 
        > ideas?
        >
        > Thanks & regards,
        > -timotheus
        >
        >
        >
        > _______________________________________________
        > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
        > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
        > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
        >
        >
        
        --
        Carsten Dominik
        Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
        Universiteit van Amsterdam
        Kruislaan 403
        NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
        phone: +31 20 525 7477
        
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