* Exporting ODT to Org [was Re: General advice beyond Org]
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@ 2018-05-20 19:34 ` edgar
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From: edgar @ 2018-05-20 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
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> Subject: Re: General advice beyond Org
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> On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 06:24:49PM -0700, Samuel Wales wrote:
>> perhaps we can start thinking about improving registration between
>> formats?
>
> This resonates with some vague ideas that keep haunting some
> dark corners of my mind:
>
> it isn't generally possible to convert "Word" [1] into Org. But what
> if that "Word" is just a slight modification of something which has
> been transformed from an Org document we know?
>
> Of course, augmenting that with "pockets" where to stash
> meta-information
> which might get lost on round-trip would be even more interesting.
> Perhaps
> those pockets are external, tied to some (possibly change-resistant)
> hash
> made of enough context.
>
> Did I say dark corners?
>
> Cheers
Makes me feel lucky of being able to tie my laces! :D .
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* General advice beyond Org
@ 2018-05-18 0:28 edgar
2018-05-20 1:24 ` Samuel Wales
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From: edgar @ 2018-05-18 0:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode, help-gnu-emacs
Hello,
_I_ need help. I am in graduate school, and I keep having issues with my
advisor for my strong inclination to use free software. I am obviously
not in position to refuse, but she dislikes to have discussions about
it. She pays a stipend to me every month, and my tuition is waved.
Is anyone here aware of a place where they do computational human
biomechanics, mechanics, materials or finite elements where I could
interact with free software? (having github, LaTeX, Python, etc.; avoid
Micro$oft products, Matlab, Mathematica, etc.). Is there no place where
one can simply use free software on a daily basis?
It seems from her comments that I am, otherwise, a good researcher. She
is a nice person, but I fear that this may become an issue in the future
for me (whether with her or other people).
As a student or junior faculty, how do you go about this? Do you just
nod and wave your freedom good bye?
Thank you! (I will post this in other fora as well; don't let that to
discourage you from answering, please).
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* Re: General advice beyond Org
2018-05-18 0:28 General advice beyond Org edgar
@ 2018-05-20 1:24 ` Samuel Wales
2018-05-20 4:56 ` Exporting ODT to Org [was Re: General advice beyond Org] edgar
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From: Samuel Wales @ 2018-05-20 1:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: edgar; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, emacs-orgmode
perhaps we can start thinking about improving registration between formats?
if you export org [you posted to org mailng list] to a foreign format,
you want your collaborator to be able to edit, save, send back without
raising a sweat.
now you have to integrate the changes. you want to do this without annoyance.
suppose you export comments in the foreign format that contain the
equivalent of persistent markers. you might or might not be willing
to put org id or custom id on every heading, but there might be
workarounds that are not so intrusive. maybe your source can contain
comments with markers. dunno.
if your exported document is a subtree within a huge org file that you
edit all the time, registration allows your software to identify that
subtree, so you're not trying to change anything outside that subtree.
that alone is a win.
but maybe we can do more. the markers can register sections or even
paragraphs if you're doing intensive collaboration. the tricky part
might be getting standard tools to understand that the mapping of
markers takes precedence over everything else.
details of this handwavey and possibly impossible brainstorm are left
as an exercise for the reader.
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* Exporting ODT to Org [was Re: General advice beyond Org]
2018-05-20 1:24 ` Samuel Wales
@ 2018-05-20 4:56 ` edgar
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From: edgar @ 2018-05-20 4:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On 2018-05-20 01:24, Samuel Wales wrote:
> perhaps we can start thinking about improving registration between
> formats?
I don't really know what this means.
> if you export org [you posted to org mailng list] to a foreign format,
> you want your collaborator to be able to edit, save, send back without
> raising a sweat.
Not really, although it would be nice--and possibly titanic to do.
> now you have to integrate the changes. you want to do this without
> annoyance.
>
> suppose you export comments in the foreign format that contain the
> equivalent of persistent markers. you might or might not be willing
> to put org id or custom id on every heading, but there might be
> workarounds that are not so intrusive. maybe your source can contain
> comments with markers. dunno.
Every great project had to start somewhere (this sounds like that).
However, if I am going to devote time to such a gigantic task, I would
rather spend it trying to convert others to free software rather than
doing favours to a closed format. I am not saying that it wouldn't be
nice to have it.
> if your exported document is a subtree within a huge org file that you
> edit all the time, registration allows your software to identify that
> subtree, so you're not trying to change anything outside that subtree.
> that alone is a win.
This sounds like a project for people in LibreOffice or Pandoc. I think
I will contact them to see if they are interested.
>
> but maybe we can do more. the markers can register sections or even
> paragraphs if you're doing intensive collaboration. the tricky part
> might be getting standard tools to understand that the mapping of
> markers takes precedence over everything else.
Yes, big project.
>
> details of this handwavey and possibly impossible brainstorm are left
> as an exercise for the reader.
LooooL! you remind me of books with notes such as "after deriving the
equation one arrives to the following expression" :P !
Thank you.
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