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From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package?
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:27:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <D6C1F74F-12D0-4335-9B52-C8329439FD43@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ioy1vya1.fsf@gmx.us>

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Hi Rasmus,

On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> OK, let me ask like this:
>> 
>> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and rotating?
> 
> Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems.  The internet
> suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't
> look into it as I don't know much about memoir. 

thanks for this.

> 
> 
>> OK, so my proposal is
> 
> Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be
> default as possible.  That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone
> knows.

Yes.  Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little
as possible.  But convenience and backward compatibility are
also a concern which I would like to consider.

> 
>> - to add the rotating package
>> - do document that the tabu package is needed when specifying tabu
> 
> Note the package loading order might matter.

Yes, I am aware of this.  Can you be specific for this case?  I guess
rotating has no load sequence issues.

Does tabu have such issues?  With which packages (what you know)

> 
>> - do document that amsmath in needed when generating a matrix
> 
> and subscripts.  And sometimes math (e.g. align).

amsmath is not in the defualt list, patch by you IIRC.  So we actually
do not have to say something about this in the manual.

> 
>> The reasoning:
> 
>> - wrapfig and longtable have been in there for a long time, we want to
>> avoid breaking existing files whenever possible
> 
> Assuming a mechanism exists that can detect when tabu is to be loaded
> why only apply it there and not to the other optional packages?

Because any automatic mechanism may cause problems with load sequence,
so packages that are problematic in this way should require user attention.
Hmm, have I just argued agains longtbl by saying this?

Thank you for your competent input.

- Carsten

> 
>> - rotating is needed for sideways stuff and does not do any harm
> 
> Alternative implementation exists, but they are of course not
> supported by Org.  Would they be in conflict?  I doubt it.
> 
>> - somewhat arbitrarily I am drawing the line above the tabu package. 
> 
> It does seem a bit arbitrary.
> 
> Bu people who feel strongly about not loading some stuff can change
> default package alist so it's not a big issue.
> 
> –Rasmus
> 
> -- 
> A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it
> 
> 


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-09-16 13:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-11 11:05 [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package? Eric S Fraga
2013-09-11 12:01 ` Rasmus
2013-09-11 12:08   ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-11 12:14     ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-11 12:25       ` Rasmus
2013-09-11 15:24         ` Eric S Fraga
2013-09-11 12:30       ` Rainer M Krug
2013-09-12 17:42   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-12 18:33     ` Rasmus
2013-09-12 19:00       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2013-09-13  8:49         ` Sebastien Vauban
2013-09-12 19:22     ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-13  8:01     ` Detlef Steuer
2013-09-15  4:49       ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-15 14:02         ` Nicolas Girard
2013-09-16  8:08           ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-16 10:47         ` Rasmus
2013-09-16 11:26           ` Rainer M Krug
2013-09-16 13:27           ` Carsten Dominik [this message]
2013-09-16 13:38             ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-16 19:26             ` Rasmus
2013-09-16 20:21               ` Andreas Leha
2013-09-17  1:45               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2013-09-17  4:48                 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-17 13:24                   ` Rasmus
2013-09-18 13:18                     ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-18 22:21                       ` Rasmus
2013-09-19  2:04                         ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-19  9:11                           ` Rasmus
2013-09-19  9:28                             ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-19  9:38                           ` Nicolas Girard
2013-09-19 11:05                             ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-25  7:04                             ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-25  7:45                               ` Nicolas Girard
2013-09-25  7:50                                 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-25  9:09                                 ` Rasmus
2013-09-26  8:51                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2013-09-17 13:30                 ` Rasmus
2013-09-17  5:11 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-09-17  8:05   ` Eric S Fraga

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