From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: [export] Should sidewaystable option automatically add rotating package? Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2013 15:27:05 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87ob7z4nzl.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <877gentvmv.fsf@gmx.us> <87wqmmos25.fsf@gmail.com> <20130913100125.257db23d@vknecht-intel.unibw-hamburg.de> <87ioy1vya1.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_80FE9EB5-4C16-4900-A51A-1871EEFCABBD"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34096) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VLYpd-0003Oo-Oe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:27:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VLYpX-0004Oy-Io for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:27:13 -0400 Received: from mail-ee0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:4013:c00::22d]:58351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VLYpX-0004Ol-BJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 09:27:07 -0400 Received: by mail-ee0-f45.google.com with SMTP id c50so2019620eek.32 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2013 06:27:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87ioy1vya1.fsf@gmx.us> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Rasmus Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --Apple-Mail=_80FE9EB5-4C16-4900-A51A-1871EEFCABBD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Rasmus, On Sep 16, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Rasmus wrote: > Carsten Dominik writes: >=20 >> OK, let me ask like this: >>=20 >> Does anyone know about conflicts arising from loading wrapfig and = rotating? >=20 > Their manuals doesn't mention anything, it seems. The internet > suggests that there might be between memoir and wrapfig, but I didn't > look into it as I don't know much about memoir.=20 thanks for this. >=20 >=20 >> OK, so my proposal is >=20 > Note: I should be obvious that I prefer to load as little stuff be > default as possible. That is: I'm biased, but it's OK when everyone > knows. Yes. Of course the cleanest solution would be to load as little as possible. But convenience and backward compatibility are also a concern which I would like to consider. >=20 >> - to add the rotating package >> - do document that the tabu package is needed when specifying tabu >=20 > Note the package loading order might matter. Yes, I am aware of this. Can you be specific for this case? I guess rotating has no load sequence issues. Does tabu have such issues? With which packages (what you know) >=20 >> - do document that amsmath in needed when generating a matrix >=20 > and subscripts. And sometimes math (e.g. align). amsmath is not in the defualt list, patch by you IIRC. So we actually do not have to say something about this in the manual. >=20 >> The reasoning: >=20 >> - wrapfig and longtable have been in there for a long time, we want = to >> avoid breaking existing files whenever possible >=20 > Assuming a mechanism exists that can detect when tabu is to be loaded > why only apply it there and not to the other optional packages? Because any automatic mechanism may cause problems with load sequence, so packages that are problematic in this way should require user = attention. Hmm, have I just argued agains longtbl by saying this? Thank you for your competent input. - Carsten >=20 >> - rotating is needed for sideways stuff and does not do any harm >=20 > Alternative implementation exists, but they are of course not > supported by Org. Would they be in conflict? I doubt it. >=20 >> - somewhat arbitrarily I am drawing the line above the tabu package.=20= >=20 > It does seem a bit arbitrary. >=20 > Bu people who feel strongly about not loading some stuff can change > default package alist so it's not a big issue. >=20 > =96Rasmus >=20 > --=20 > A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_80FE9EB5-4C16-4900-A51A-1871EEFCABBD Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJSNwcpAAoJEO+gg/nAZuwMaVcIAJGkA3MlkCAUeAA1V3vEQggn 7xYP/iLrey8oyKzQ4LLdgESBFiCb7K+Zm/XquD12JbyWqQiwnpZchRPblcXvN5id j3pQBnUCk0p2VuNvqKN0GZzvMRMXaov+ZbsyHxqLoA1/HbhnBhhiYkTT/FdETvSe Okjt3DGbaIH5bVawMy1UKupK5+SMg7ONAzCormX+smHksZ24CJ57O9QLY45UX2TM boOyZKSR/GmSlwEzbf6CQrsBafdn66tc4UNSrysWshFf4Vqlj4ZB2/VYJJ/1H8UM Jeg5bTvL+ficM4CEa1ZviXRCLL/zWbmK+eQ+clQEuBYdimIV468QQ+gOTARD7KE= =84/A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_80FE9EB5-4C16-4900-A51A-1871EEFCABBD--