Re: zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general

[Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com>]

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Responding to just a few of the excellent points raised by J 7 E

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Erik Hetzner <egh@e6h.org> wrote:

> At Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:47:30 +0530,
> Jambunathan K wrote:
> >
> >
> I should note that while the org/zotero integration in zotero-plain
> “works for me”, I would welcome changes to make it more robust and
> feature-full. But I use org for notes and todo lists, not for document
> production.
>
I'm trying to switch to using org for most of my writing; among other
things, I now use it for posting to wordpress and (hopefully soon) drupal,
where most of my teaching work takes place. So I htink there's a case to
make for org as a person's main workspace.

>
> > Instead of working with JS libraries, I think the right starting point
> > would be to work with the underlying zotero.sqlite database itself. It
> > is not difficult to get a key of the selected item in Zotero
> > pane[3]. Once this is done the underlying zotero.sqlite database could
> > be queried for the item properties[4].
>

Wouldn't the rigt target be, not the sqlite db, but the Zoteor *service*
that runs on port 50001 when Zotero is running?  Aren't there some
higher-level tools for working through that interface -- e.g., erik, your
rst tool uses a python library, does it talk to Zotero that way?


> >
> > Fortunately there is already a GUI/Command line tool - Gnotero[5] -for
> > accessing the sqlite database.
>
> This would certainly work. However, one problem would be that gnotero
> cannot generate formatted citations from a reference, that is, it
> cannot use CSL [2] style rules to generate arbitrary citation
> formats. This might be fine; some simple c
>
> > As for exploiting the power of using zotero within libreoffice - which
> > is to have the same citation presented in different citation styles -
> > one need to look at how the reference marks are produced within
> > OpenDocument XML.
>
> Not only that, but how the LibreOffice plugin communicates with
> Zotero, specifically the citeproc-js [1] part of Zotero, to generate
> in-text citations, bibliographies, etc.
>

so, couldn't one think of the problem as having three parts:
(1) get emacs to talk to the zotero server; and
(2) figure out how org/emacs should interact with citeproc
(3) translate the org zotero links into a syntax that LibreOffice
recognizes and can successfully manipulate

and am I further right that, as an interim measure, solving (1) and (3)
properly and throwing together a quick hack for (2)  -- in which org
supports exactly one, very simple citation style -- would make a workflow
possible in which a person could compose in Org, and translate to ODT for
the final processing of a document, and/or export to HTML using only the
one citaqtion style that is supported by the aforementioned hack?

thanks again for all the help, folks,
matt

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