From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
To: Matt Price <moptop99@gmail.com>
Cc: Erik Hetzner <egh@e6h.org>, Org Mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:56:17 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <81hb2drhmu.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAN_Dec_20jLWE5YV-3t++WXe2_+ywdMqYib-P0EykCR8cnDn_w@mail.gmail.com> (Matt Price's message of "Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:06:37 -0500")
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am about to start experimenting with Erik Hetzner's zotero-plain,
> which allows the use of zotero as a bibliographic manager in emacs &
> especially org-mode (https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain as well
> as a couple of threads on this list, I think).
For Erik's benefit:
===================
org-mode has a native ODT exporter implemented by org-odt.el. The
documentation - org-odt.pdf - can be seen *attached* to this mailing
list post:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/48468
The following section - sec. no. 1.1.4 Applying Custom Styles - talks
about where the ODT exporter picks the style from.
Notes to self:
==============
1. styles.odt is here.
- https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/python
Styles seem to have rststyle as a prefix.
2. example.odt is here.
- https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/example
Contains a bibiliographic content presumably created by zrst2odt
3. zrst2odt is here.
- https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/python/bin
4. Elisp code is here.
- https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/elisp
1. org-zotero.el
This permits insertion of zotero reference links *only* and
opening them with a browser.
Specifically I don't see the translator of these links to
individual backends like latex, html or more importantly ODT.
#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(org-add-link-type TYPE &optional FOLLOW EXPORT)
#+end_src
2. zotero.el
This (apparently) permits download of data from firefox and
importing it within Emacs.
I have an impression that I have is this:
org->rst->odt
I am not able to make up my mind quickly about whether there is support
for translating org-style zotero links to rst-stlye <whatever>.
Notes to Matt Price or other users of zotero + libreoffice
==========================================================
I see a post from you - titled "zoteroOpenOfficeIntegration doesn't open
port?" - in the zotero forums a few hours ago. Here is a link to
libreoffice related posts on zotero's forums.
http://forums.zotero.org/search/?PostBackAction=Search&Keywords=libreoffice&Type=Comments&btnSubmit=Search
So I believe if you or someone could post a OpenOffice document -
created through zotero - which uses zotero-style citation and
references - to this mailing list or this very thread - these could be
used as a primer to export zotero links to ODT. (Similarly for other Org
supported backends).
It would be wonderful if the example uses as many of the zotero fields -
(as in database fields) - in as many usage contexts as possible.
General comments
================
1. Zotero supports many citation stlyes. So Org/Zotero integration could
choose one citation style that is widely agreeable for one-off
colloboration needs.
2. I don't know if importing Zotero stylenames verbatim in to org-odt's
style file would "pollute" it - thereby preventing org-odt from
getting in to Emacs proper.
I am not competent to judge what the copyright and license terms of
the stylenames used by zotero plugin are. I am seeing that zotero
itself is AGPL so I believe it is Free as in "Free Software".
3. Even if zotero's ODT style cannot be used by the ODT exporter due
(2), I can cook up Org's own stlyenames for various citation fields
and allow the user to remap Org* stlyenames to say Zotero* stlynames.
I see Org already has some(?) support for bibtex. Can anyone comment on
bibtex vs zotero? They seem to serve same purpose - citation
management. Can bibtex be used instead of zotero.
I am not a researcher or academic. So I would need help from potential
users for this to move forward.
> I'm wonderinghow other people have used it, and in particular
> whether there's any way to preserve the zotero markup across exports
> to odt especially. That is, I'd like to keep the original citations
> embedded in the final odt, so that I can continue to use zotero in an
> odt or doc file after it's been exported from org.
>
> This would take me very , very close to a complete org-centric
> workflow that still lets me produce documents for consumption by my
> MS-using colleagues. I really hope it's possible to do! If anyone
> has done it, I would really love to hear about it.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-09 5:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 2:06 zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general Matt Price
2011-11-09 5:26 ` Jambunathan K [this message]
2011-11-10 15:17 ` Jambunathan K
2011-11-10 15:50 ` Thomas S. Dye
2011-11-10 17:48 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 15:51 ` Matt Price
2011-11-11 16:12 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 18:45 ` Matt Price
2011-11-12 0:07 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-12 23:45 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-12 23:46 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-11 20:34 ` zotero-cite (A Proposal) Jambunathan K
2011-11-14 15:38 ` Matt Price
2011-11-16 5:25 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 21:13 ` zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general Jambunathan K
2011-11-12 7:21 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-12 14:20 ` Matt Price
2011-11-16 5:30 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-09 7:03 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-09 7:25 ` Jambunathan K
2011-11-09 14:13 ` Ken Williams
2011-11-09 19:39 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-10 4:53 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-10 9:01 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-11 15:37 ` Matt Price
2011-11-11 17:51 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-11 18:34 ` Matt Price
2011-11-09 15:28 ` Matt Price
2011-11-10 4:40 ` Erik Hetzner
2011-11-13 22:47 ` Christian Moe
2011-11-14 15:38 ` Matt Price
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