From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: zotero plain, org-odt, and citations in general Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:56:17 +0530 Message-ID: <81hb2drhmu.fsf@gmail.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:60050) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RO0gK-0002f7-DT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:26:41 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RO0gI-0006es-Qy for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:26:40 -0500 Received: from mail-pz0-f47.google.com ([209.85.210.47]:51955) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RO0gI-0006en-GG for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 00:26:38 -0500 Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6so755717pzk.6 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:26:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Matt Price's message of "Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:06:37 -0500") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Matt Price Cc: Erik Hetzner , Org Mode > Hi everyone, > > I am about to start experimenting with Erik Hetzner's zotero-plain, > which allows the use of zotero as a bibliographic manager in emacs & > especially org-mode (https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain as well > as a couple of threads on this list, I think). For Erik's benefit: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D org-mode has a native ODT exporter implemented by org-odt.el. The documentation - org-odt.pdf - can be seen *attached* to this mailing list post:=20 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/48468 The following section - sec. no. 1.1.4 Applying Custom Styles - talks about where the ODT exporter picks the style from. Notes to self: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1. styles.odt is here. - https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/python =20=20=20 Styles seem to have rststyle as a prefix. 2. example.odt is here. - https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/example Contains a bibiliographic content presumably created by zrst2odt 3. zrst2odt is here. - https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/python/bin 4. Elisp code is here. - https://bitbucket.org/egh/zotero-plain/src/66353860ebdd/elisp 1. org-zotero.el This permits insertion of zotero reference links *only* and opening them with a browser.=20 Specifically I don't see the translator of these links to individual backends like latex, html or more importantly ODT. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (org-add-link-type TYPE &optional FOLLOW EXPORT) #+end_src 2. zotero.el This (apparently) permits download of data from firefox and importing it within Emacs. I have an impression that I have is this: org->rst->odt I am not able to make up my mind quickly about whether there is support for translating org-style zotero links to rst-stlye . Notes to Matt Price or other users of zotero + libreoffice =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I see a post from you - titled "zoteroOpenOfficeIntegration doesn't open port?" - in the zotero forums a few hours ago. Here is a link to libreoffice related posts on zotero's forums. http://forums.zotero.org/search/?PostBackAction=3DSearch&Keywords=3Dlibreof= fice&Type=3DComments&btnSubmit=3DSearch So I believe if you or someone could post a OpenOffice document - created through zotero - which uses zotero-style citation and references - to this mailing list or this very thread - these could be used as a primer to export zotero links to ODT. (Similarly for other Org supported backends). It would be wonderful if the example uses as many of the zotero fields - (as in database fields) - in as many usage contexts as possible. General comments =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D 1. Zotero supports many citation stlyes. So Org/Zotero integration could choose one citation style that is widely agreeable for one-off colloboration needs. 2. I don't know if importing Zotero stylenames verbatim in to org-odt's style file would "pollute" it - thereby preventing org-odt from getting in to Emacs proper. I am not competent to judge what the copyright and license terms of the stylenames used by zotero plugin are. I am seeing that zotero itself is AGPL so I believe it is Free as in "Free Software". 3. Even if zotero's ODT style cannot be used by the ODT exporter due (2), I can cook up Org's own stlyenames for various citation fields and allow the user to remap Org* stlyenames to say Zotero* stlynames. I see Org already has some(?) support for bibtex. Can anyone comment on bibtex vs zotero? They seem to serve same purpose - citation management. Can bibtex be used instead of zotero. I am not a researcher or academic. So I would need help from potential users for this to move forward. > =C2=A0 I'm wonderinghow other people have used it, and in particular > whether there's any way to preserve the zotero markup across exports > to odt especially. That is, I'd like to keep the original citations > embedded in the final odt, so that I can continue to use zotero in an > odt or doc file after it's been exported from org.=C2=A0 > > This would take me very , very close to a complete org-centric > workflow that still lets me produce documents for consumption by my > MS-using colleagues.=C2=A0 I really hope it's possible to do! If anyone > has done it, I would really love to hear about it.=C2=A0 > > Thanks, > Matt > > --=20