Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Chris Barber]

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Hi, I am planning to record some ideas in org-mode, and I would love to be
able to set it out as follows:

* Ideas
** | Idea | A property | A property |
*** Regular outlined notes
Some notes
*** More sub notes
** | Idea 2 | Property | Property |

Is there any way for me to do this? Essentially it would function like a
table until you tab down into it.
I think this would be FANTASTIC!
Thanks,
Chris

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Re: Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Eric S Fraga]

Chris Barber <c.barber80@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi, I am planning to record some ideas in org-mode, and I would love to be
> able to set it out as follows:
>
> * Ideas
> ** | Idea | A property | A property |
> *** Regular outlined notes
> Some notes
> *** More sub notes
> ** | Idea 2 | Property | Property |
>
> Is there any way for me to do this? Essentially it would function like a
> table until you tab down into it.
> I think this would be FANTASTIC!
> Thanks,
> Chris

Have a look at properties and columns in info: (org) Properties and
Columns.  I believe that column with with properties will do exactly
what you want.
-- 
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1
: using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.284.g2a8fb)

Re: Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Michael Brand]

Hi Chris

This _is_ fantastic, Org can do it with column view:
http://orgmode.org/manual/Column-view.html#Column-view

Michael

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 08:21, Chris Barber <c.barber80@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I am planning to record some ideas in org-mode, and I would love to be
> able to set it out as follows:
> * Ideas
> ** | Idea | A property | A property |
> *** Regular outlined notes
> Some notes
> *** More sub notes
> ** | Idea 2 | Property | Property |
> Is there any way for me to do this? Essentially it would function like a
> table until you tab down into it.
> I think this would be FANTASTIC!

Re: Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Chris Barber]

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Thanks for the suggestion. I will definitely consider that.
What do you mean by:
'For one thing, you won't be able to do advanced searching for tag/property
combinations, gather those properties into a column view or dynamic block
(for that you want regular Org properties). Nor easily access them from a
spreadsheet or source code elsewhere in the document (for that you want a
named table).'
Cheers

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com>wrote:

> On 5/19/11 8:21 AM, Chris Barber wrote:
>
>> Hi, I am planning to record some ideas in org-mode, and I would love
>> to be able to set it out as follows:
>>
>> * Ideas
>> ** | Idea | A property | A property |
>> *** Regular outlined notes
>> Some notes
>> *** More sub notes
>> ** | Idea 2 | Property | Property |
>>
>> Is there any way for me to do this? Essentially it would function like
>> a table until you tab down into it.
>> I think this would be FANTASTIC!
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>
> Well, nothing prevents you from dividing up a heading with pipe characters,
> if you like the way it looks. It doesn't function like a table, but what
> table functionality is it that you want to use here?
>
> For one thing, you won't be able to do advanced searching for tag/property
> combinations, gather those properties into a column view or dynamic block
> (for that you want regular Org properties). Nor easily access them from a
> spreadsheet or source code elsewhere in the document (for that you want a
> named table).
>
> I suggest you rather consider tags and regular Org properties.
>
> * Idea     :A_Property:Another_Property:
> * Idea
>  :PROPERTIES:
>  :A_Property: value
>  :Another_Property: value2
>  :END:
>
> Yours,
> Christian
>

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Re: Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Chris Barber]

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This is a great idea!
I think I may well end up using this.
Would it still be possible to do calculations within the heading?
Eg once I have filled in all my headings and properties, how could I make
the value of the last property for each heading equal to the average of the
previous 3 columns?

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michael Brand
<michael.ch.brand@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi Chris
>
> This _is_ fantastic, Org can do it with column view:
> http://orgmode.org/manual/Column-view.html#Column-view
>
> Michael
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 08:21, Chris Barber <c.barber80@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, I am planning to record some ideas in org-mode, and I would love to
> be
> > able to set it out as follows:
> > * Ideas
> > ** | Idea | A property | A property |
> > *** Regular outlined notes
> > Some notes
> > *** More sub notes
> > ** | Idea 2 | Property | Property |
> > Is there any way for me to do this? Essentially it would function like a
> > table until you tab down into it.
> > I think this would be FANTASTIC!
>

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Re: Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Eric Schulte]

Chris Barber <c.barber80@gmail.com> writes:

> This is a great idea!
> I think I may well end up using this.
> Would it still be possible to do calculations within the heading?

Calculation on properties of headings should be possible with org-collector
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/org-collector.html

> 
> Eg once I have filled in all my headings and properties, how could I
> make the value of the last property for each heading equal to the
> average of the previous 3 columns?
>

I'm not sure if your above case would work out of the box, but the
current implementation should be a start.

Best -- Eric

>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Michael Brand
> <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> This _is_ fantastic, Org can do it with column view:
>> http://orgmode.org/manual/Column-view.html#Column-view
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 08:21, Chris Barber <c.barber80@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi, I am planning to record some ideas in org-mode, and I would love to
>> be
>> > able to set it out as follows:
>> > * Ideas
>> > ** | Idea | A property | A property |
>> > *** Regular outlined notes
>> > Some notes
>> > *** More sub notes
>> > ** | Idea 2 | Property | Property |
>> > Is there any way for me to do this? Essentially it would function like a
>> > table until you tab down into it.
>> > I think this would be FANTASTIC!
>>

-- 
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/

Re: Mixing org-mode tables with outlining?

[Michael Brand]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 13:24, Chris Barber <c.barber80@gmail.com> wrote:
> Would it still be possible to do calculations within the heading?
> Eg once I have filled in all my headings and properties, how could I make
> the value of the last property for each heading equal to the average of the
> previous 3 columns?

Yes, Org column view is equipped to do all kinds of aggregations like
to calculate the average/sum/min/max/... of the _lower_ level columns,
see "{summary-type}" in:
http://orgmode.org/manual/Column-attributes.html#Column-attributes

To get an idea of the power of column view I would also recommend
Carsten's talk at 00:18:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJTwQvgfgMM#t=18m23s
and Russell's talk at about 00:54:00
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2572085463585491742

Michael