From: Arthur Miller <email@example.com> To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <firstname.lastname@example.org> Cc: Jarmo Hurri <email@example.com>, firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Re: The fate of ditaa.jar (9.4.5.) Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 03:13:38 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <AM9PR09MB497785636C87AFE02DE2194C96509@AM9PR09MB4977.eurprd09.prod.outlook.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <email@example.com> (Arne Babenhauserheide's message of "Thu, 13 May 2021 22:08:20 +0200") "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: > Arthur Miller <email@example.com> writes: > >> Jarmo Hurri <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: >> >>> Greetings. >>> >>> "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" <email@example.com> writes: >>> >>>> Arthur Miller <firstname.lastname@example.org> writes: >>>> >>>>> By the way, how difficult is to download one file from the internet >>>>> (ditaa.jar) if you are an user? >>>> >>>> That’s not the point. The point is that every single user with a ditaa >>>> block has to do it. >>>> >>>> Ask the other way round: What is the benefit of removing ditaa from >>>> org? If you want to force most current org-ditaa users to unbreak >>>> their setup after update, there should be a significant tangible >>>> benefit. >>> >>> I agree. >>> >>> One thing I like about org is that most things work out of the box. >> >> If bundled ditaa is not compatible with jre installed on users >> computer, or there is no jre installed, and user is not a programmer or >> used to Java, how many steps it adds to such a user to sort out why org >> does not work for him/her "out of the box"? Just to save some experienced >> user an extra step, that probably does not even affect them since they >> already have java and ditaa on their computers. > > The difference is not about the difference between experienced or > beginner. The difference is that „use your package manager to get Java“ > or „get openjdk“ is an operation that only uses standard installation > processes. > > „Get this jar-file from somewhere and drop it somewhere and then change > this configuration to point to it“ is not a standard installation > action. > > If Java is missing, org can simply report „no java found, please install > openjdk from <linux: your package manager | windows/macos: > https://adoptopenjdk.net/installation.html>“ and the user can install it > like any other software. So can org also say: "ditaa is missing, please install from the link ... " :-) > This is not the case with ditaa. Ditaa is no standard application with > installer/setup/…, but a jar-file. Exactly, so it is enough to just download a single file and point your org to it with one `setq' in your init file. So it does not need a pacakge managmenet on os level. However, Org could also simply say: use another distro that has ditaa in it's repository, such as Arch Linuz (in AUR).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-05-14 1:14 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2021-05-10 11:28 Jarmo Hurri 2021-05-10 11:50 ` Eric S Fraga 2021-05-10 12:28 ` Russell Adams 2021-05-10 17:07 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-05-10 20:49 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-11 1:22 ` Christopher Dimech 2021-05-11 18:56 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-11 20:53 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-05-12 8:44 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-12 9:41 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-05-12 14:51 ` Russell Adams 2021-05-13 12:44 ` Jarmo Hurri 2021-05-13 14:06 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-13 20:08 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-05-14 1:13 ` Arthur Miller [this message] 2021-05-14 5:30 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-05-14 5:39 ` Christopher Dimech 2021-05-14 11:23 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-14 11:57 ` Christopher Dimech 2021-05-10 18:41 ` Nick Dokos 2021-05-11 1:25 ` Christopher Dimech 2021-05-11 4:33 ` Tim Cross 2021-05-11 6:35 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide 2021-05-11 6:53 ` he " Christopher Dimech 2021-05-11 8:36 ` The " Tim Cross 2021-05-11 12:52 ` TEC 2021-05-11 19:15 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-12 0:06 ` Tim Cross 2021-05-12 8:47 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-15 17:31 ` [External] : " Daniel Ortmann 2021-05-11 19:02 ` Arthur Miller 2021-05-16 12:19 ` Bastien
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