Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Aidan Gauland]

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It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because they
are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.  Example...

* A heading
This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]

This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
                          org-fn-bug-example
                          ==================

Author: Aidan Gauland
Date: 2010-08-31 20:33:14 NZST


Table of Contents
=================
1 A heading


1 A heading
~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is a broken footnote.[1].]

This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...

[1] Some book at [42-24

This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so this
is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as well).

Regards,
Aidan Gauland

Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
 of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans

current state:
==============
(setq
 org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-vars)
 org-agenda-files '("~/uc-files/uc-work.org")
 org-agenda-include-diary t
 org-completion-use-iswitchb t
 org-completion-use-ido t
 org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
 org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
 org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
 org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-default
 org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
 org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
 org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
 org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
 org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
 org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
 org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-drawers
org-cycle-show-empty-lines
									org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
 org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
'(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
 org-mode-hook '(#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
									 [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all append local] 5]
								 #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
									 [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-babel-show-result-all
append local] 5]
								 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes)
 org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute-safely-maybe)
 org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
 org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
org-babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
 org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
 org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil
 org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
'(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
 org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix-toc
org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
															 org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
 org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
 org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment
org-export-blocks-format-comment t)
										 (ditaa org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) (dot
org-export-blocks-format-dot nil))
 )


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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

Aidan Gauland <aidalgol@no8wireless.co.nz> writes:

> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
>  of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans

> It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because they
> are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.  
> Example...
>
> * A heading
> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>
> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>
> 1 A heading
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>
> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>
> [1] Some book at [42-24
>
> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so this
> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as well).
>
GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1
Org-mode version
         7.01trans-commit-1d1439f91e63e71f39e93622a0af439762522c00

Also escaping the brackets does not work Example:

** A heading
This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at \[42-24\].]

 Exports to:

1 A heading 
~~~~~~~~~~~~
This is a broken footnote.[1].]
[1] Some book at \[42-24\

Giovanni

Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Aidan,

unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many  
things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to  
address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I do  
not have a solution for you.

- Carsten

On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Aidan Gauland wrote:

> It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because they
> are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.  Example...
>
> * A heading
> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>
> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>                          org-fn-bug-example
>                          ==================
>
> Author: Aidan Gauland
> Date: 2010-08-31 20:33:14 NZST
>
>
> Table of Contents
> =================
> 1 A heading
>
>
> 1 A heading
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>
> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>
> [1] Some book at [42-24
>
> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so  
> this
> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as well).
>
> Regards,
> Aidan Gauland
>
> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version  
> 2.20.1)
> of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
>
> current state:
> ==============
> (setq
> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial- 
> vars)
> org-agenda-files '("~/uc-files/uc-work.org")
> org-agenda-include-diary t
> org-completion-use-iswitchb t
> org-completion-use-ido t
> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
> org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc- 
> default
> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
> org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
> org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
> org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide- 
> drawers
> org-cycle-show-empty-lines
> 									org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
> '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
> org-mode-hook '(#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
> 									 [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all  
> append local] 5]
> 								 #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
> 									 [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-babel-show-result- 
> all
> append local] 5]
> 								 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes)
> org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute- 
> safely-maybe)
> org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
> org-babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
> org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil
> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
> '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix- 
> toc
> org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
> 															 org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
> org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment
> org-export-blocks-format-comment t)
> 										 (ditaa org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) (dot
> org-export-blocks-format-dot nil))
> )
>
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- Carsten

Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 31.08.2010 12:43, schrieb Giovanni Ridolfi:
> Aidan Gauland<aidalgol@no8wireless.co.nz>  writes:
>
>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
>>   of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
>> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
>
>> It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because they
>> are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.
>> Example...
>>
>> * A heading
>> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>>
>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>
>> 1 A heading
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>>
>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>
>> [1] Some book at [42-24
>>
>> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so this
>> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as well).
>>
> GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1
> Org-mode version
>           7.01trans-commit-1d1439f91e63e71f39e93622a0af439762522c00
>
> Also escaping the brackets does not work Example:
>
> ** A heading
> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at \[42-24\].]
>
>   Exports to:
>
> 1 A heading
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
> [1] Some book at \[42-24\
>
> Giovanni
>
>
>
>

Should be a way to change footnote-style, so it doesn't use brackets.

Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Christian Moe]

This is a two-part problem.

1. Right square bracket in inline footnote prematurely terminates the
    footnote.

    IMO this is not a bug, it's an inherent and quite reasonable
    limitation on the inline footnote format, and is easily solved by
    falling back on the block footnote syntax.

    #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
    ** A heading
    This is a broken footnote.[fn:somebook]

    [fn:somebook] Some book at [42-24].
    #+END_EXAMPLE

2. A number in square brackets is interpreted as a footnote marker
    (even inside another footnote).

    In ASCII export, as in Aidan's example, this doesn't matter because
    footnote markers are exported in ... square brackets. But in other
    export formats it's an occasional pain.

    Some workarounds for this problem, involving =fn:nil= or invisible
    zero-space characters, were recently posted on the list:
    http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/28191


Cheers,
Christian


Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
> Aidan Gauland <aidalgol@no8wireless.co.nz> writes:
> 
>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.20.1)
>>  of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
>> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
> 
>> It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because they
>> are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.  
>> Example...
>>
>> * A heading
>> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>>
>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>
>> 1 A heading
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>>
>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>
>> [1] Some book at [42-24
>>
>> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so this
>> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as well).
>>
> GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1
> Org-mode version
>          7.01trans-commit-1d1439f91e63e71f39e93622a0af439762522c00
> 
> Also escaping the brackets does not work Example:
> 
> ** A heading
> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at \[42-24\].]
> 
>  Exports to:
> 
> 1 A heading 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
> [1] Some book at \[42-24\
> 
> Giovanni
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
> I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many
> things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to
> address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I do
> not have a solution for you.

I have a workaround. 
If the author uses the a special code for [ and ], e.g.
#91; and #93; then the note is exported correctly.
--------------------------------------------------------
** example
This is not anymore a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at #91; 42-24 #93;.]

Exports to:
This is not anymore broken footnote.[1]
[1] Some book at #91; 42-24 #93;.
----------------------------------------------------------

But then the file have to be post-processed to substitute #91; and #93;

Place these lines in .emacs, or evaluate them (goto the last ") " and hit C-x C-e) 
for the current session :
----------------------------------------------------------------------
(add-hook 'org-export-html-final-hook  'gio/replace-square-brackets)
(add-hook 'org-export-ascii-final-hook 'gio/replace-square-brackets)

(defun gio/replace-square-brackets ()
"Replace #91; with [ and #93; with ] "
(interactive)
(setq a "#91;")  ; use "\[" for LaTeX export
(setq a1  "[") 
(setq b "#93;")  ; use "\]" for LaTeX export
(setq b1  "]")
(ignore-errors (goto-char 1) (setq p (point)) 
(while (< p (point-max)) 
(re-search-forward a nil nil) (replace-match a1)  (setq p (point)) )  )
;;
(ignore-errors (goto-char 1) (setq p (point)) 
(while (< p (point-max)) 
(re-search-forward b nil nil) (replace-match b1)  (setq p (point)) )  )
(save-buffer) ) 
----------------------------------------------------------
Tested for  HTML, ASCII.

For the LaTeX export  the line:
      This is not anymore a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at #91;
      42-24#93;.]
exports to:

      This is not anymore a broken footnote.\footnote{Some book at \[
      42-24 \]. } 


So the LaTeX seems to convert directly the #9?; character.

Not tested for docbook.

HTH
Giovanni

Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Scot Becker]

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Giovanni,

Thanks for that.  I have the same problem, since I put citations in my
footnotes in the format \cite[50]{Ridolfi_2011_Autobiography}.  This is
great.  It's also a nice model for a few other petty troubles I want to
postprocess away.

Scot



On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it
> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
> > I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many
> > things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to
> > address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I do
> > not have a solution for you.
>
> I have a workaround.
> If the author uses the a special code for [ and ], e.g.
> #91; and #93; then the note is exported correctly.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> ** example
> This is not anymore a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at #91; 42-24 #93;.]
>
> Exports to:
> This is not anymore broken footnote.[1]
> [1] Some book at #91; 42-24 #93;.
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> But then the file have to be post-processed to substitute #91; and #93;
>
> Place these lines in .emacs, or evaluate them (goto the last ") " and hit
> C-x C-e)
> for the current session :
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> (add-hook 'org-export-html-final-hook  'gio/replace-square-brackets)
> (add-hook 'org-export-ascii-final-hook 'gio/replace-square-brackets)
>
> (defun gio/replace-square-brackets ()
> "Replace #91; with [ and #93; with ] "
> (interactive)
> (setq a "#91;")  ; use "\[" for LaTeX export
> (setq a1  "[")
> (setq b "#93;")  ; use "\]" for LaTeX export
> (setq b1  "]")
> (ignore-errors (goto-char 1) (setq p (point))
> (while (< p (point-max))
> (re-search-forward a nil nil) (replace-match a1)  (setq p (point)) )  )
> ;;
> (ignore-errors (goto-char 1) (setq p (point))
> (while (< p (point-max))
> (re-search-forward b nil nil) (replace-match b1)  (setq p (point)) )  )
> (save-buffer) )
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Tested for  HTML, ASCII.
>
> For the LaTeX export  the line:
>      This is not anymore a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at #91;
>      42-24#93;.]
> exports to:
>
>      This is not anymore a broken footnote.\footnote{Some book at \[
>      42-24 \]. }
>
>
> So the LaTeX seems to convert directly the #9?; character.
>
> Not tested for docbook.
>
> HTH
> Giovanni
>
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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Alan L Tyree]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:09:58 +0200
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Aidan,
> 
> unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
> I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many  
> things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to  
> address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I
> do not have a solution for you.

I also have problems with footnotes. Jan Boecker kindly devised a
work-around using non-printing spaces which is OK, but what I would like
is:

Disable footnotes like [2010], but keep footnotes like [fn:2010]

The reason is that I write legal texts that have references to case law
that look like: Marreco v Richardson [1908] 2 KB 584. The dates in
square brackets are an essential part of the reference.

f:nil in the Options seems to disable all footnotes rather than just
the [2010] type. The documentation is slightly misleading on this.
Under "Export options" it says:

f:	turn on/off footnotes like this[1].

I seem to be living more and more in org-mode. Thanks for such great
software!

Alan


> 
> - Carsten
> 
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Aidan Gauland wrote:
> 
> > It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because
> > they are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.
> > Example...
> >
> > * A heading
> > This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
> >
> > This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
> >                          org-fn-bug-example
> >                          ==================
> >
> > Author: Aidan Gauland
> > Date: 2010-08-31 20:33:14 NZST
> >
> >
> > Table of Contents
> > =================
> > 1 A heading
> >
> >
> > 1 A heading
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > This is a broken footnote.[1].]
> >
> > This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
> >
> > [1] Some book at [42-24
> >
> > This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so  
> > this
> > is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as
> > well).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Aidan Gauland
> >
> > Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+
> > Version 2.20.1)
> > of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
> > Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
> >
> > current state:
> > ==============
> > (setq
> > org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook
> > '(org-beamer-after-initial- vars)
> > org-agenda-files '("~/uc-files/uc-work.org")
> > org-agenda-include-diary t
> > org-completion-use-iswitchb t
> > org-completion-use-ido t
> > org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
> > org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
> > org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
> > org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc- 
> > default
> > org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
> > org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
> > org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
> > org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
> > org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
> > org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> > org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
> > org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
> > org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide- 
> > drawers
> > org-cycle-show-empty-lines
> > 									org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
> > org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
> > '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
> > org-mode-hook '(#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
> > 									 [org-add-hook
> > change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all append local] 5]
> > 								 #[nil
> > 								 #"\300
> > 								 #\301
> > 								 #\302
> > 								 #\303
> > 								 #\304
> > 								 #$
> > 								 #\207"
> > 									 [org-add-hook
> > change-major-mode-hook org-babel-show-result- all
> > append local] 5]
> > 								 org-babel-result-hide-spec
> > org-babel-hide-all-hashes) org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook
> > '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute- safely-maybe)
> > org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
> > org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
> > org-babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
> > org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
> > org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil
> > org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
> > '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
> > org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header
> > org-beamer-fix- toc
> > org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
> > 															 org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
> > org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
> > org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment
> > org-export-blocks-format-comment t)
> > 										 (ditaa
> > org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) (dot
> > org-export-blocks-format-dot nil)) )
> >
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> > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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> 
> - Carsten
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Aidan Gauland]

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Thanks!  That works fine.  I suppose I should point out that I only used =
an
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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Aidan Gauland]

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Alan L Tyree wrote:
> Disable footnotes like [2010], but keep footnotes like [fn:2010]
> 
> The reason is that I write legal texts that have references to case law
> that look like: Marreco v Richardson [1908] 2 KB 584. The dates in
> square brackets are an essential part of the reference.

Perhaps it would be best to determine for what type of writing the current way
Org handles footnotes is lacking.  Is it just academic writing in general, of
mostly only certain fields?  Both Alan and I have needed to use a workaround
for legal writing (I'm a first-year student; don't know about Alan).  What
have other people had trouble footnoting/citing in Org?

--Aidan


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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Scot Becker]

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Well I use biblatex to produce the chicago citations, used pretty widely in
the humanities in N. America, and the LaTeX \cite{} commands under that
setup take their optional arguments in square brackets.  The most frequent
optional argument is a page number for the citation, but I also use them for
prefixes to the citation, e.g. a footnote which reads "See also Becker, 59"
would be generated like this \autocite[59][See also](Becker2010).

Scot


On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Aidan Gauland <aidalgol@no8wireless.co.nz>wrote:

> Alan L Tyree wrote:
> > Disable footnotes like [2010], but keep footnotes like [fn:2010]
> >
> > The reason is that I write legal texts that have references to case law
> > that look like: Marreco v Richardson [1908] 2 KB 584. The dates in
> > square brackets are an essential part of the reference.
>
> Perhaps it would be best to determine for what type of writing the current
> way
> Org handles footnotes is lacking.  Is it just academic writing in general,
> of
> mostly only certain fields?  Both Alan and I have needed to use a
> workaround
> for legal writing (I'm a first-year student; don't know about Alan).  What
> have other people had trouble footnoting/citing in Org?
>
> --Aidan
>
>
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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Carsten Dominik]

On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Alan L Tyree wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:09:58 +0200
> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Aidan,
>>
>> unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
>> I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many
>> things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to
>> address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I
>> do not have a solution for you.
>
> I also have problems with footnotes. Jan Boecker kindly devised a
> work-around using non-printing spaces which is OK, but what I would  
> like
> is:
>
> Disable footnotes like [2010], but keep footnotes like [fn:2010]

Also on my list of things to fix when I get there....

- Carsten

>
> The reason is that I write legal texts that have references to case  
> law
> that look like: Marreco v Richardson [1908] 2 KB 584. The dates in
> square brackets are an essential part of the reference.
>
> f:nil in the Options seems to disable all footnotes rather than just
> the [2010] type. The documentation is slightly misleading on this.
> Under "Export options" it says:
>
> f:	turn on/off footnotes like this[1].
>
> I seem to be living more and more in org-mode. Thanks for such great
> software!
>
> Alan
>
>
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Aidan Gauland wrote:
>>
>>> It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because
>>> they are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.
>>> Example...
>>>
>>> * A heading
>>> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>>>
>>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>>                         org-fn-bug-example
>>>                         ==================
>>>
>>> Author: Aidan Gauland
>>> Date: 2010-08-31 20:33:14 NZST
>>>
>>>
>>> Table of Contents
>>> =================
>>> 1 A heading
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 A heading
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>>>
>>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>>
>>> [1] Some book at [42-24
>>>
>>> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so
>>> this
>>> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as
>>> well).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Aidan Gauland
>>>
>>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+
>>> Version 2.20.1)
>>> of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
>>> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
>>>
>>> current state:
>>> ==============
>>> (setq
>>> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook
>>> '(org-beamer-after-initial- vars)
>>> org-agenda-files '("~/uc-files/uc-work.org")
>>> org-agenda-include-diary t
>>> org-completion-use-iswitchb t
>>> org-completion-use-ido t
>>> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
>>> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
>>> org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
>>> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-
>>> default
>>> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
>>> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
>>> org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
>>> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
>>> org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
>>> org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
>>> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
>>> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
>>> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-
>>> drawers
>>> org-cycle-show-empty-lines
>>> 									org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
>>> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
>>> '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
>>> org-mode-hook '(#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
>>> 									 [org-add-hook
>>> change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all append local] 5]
>>> 								 #[nil
>>> 								 #"\300
>>> 								 #\301
>>> 								 #\302
>>> 								 #\303
>>> 								 #\304
>>> 								 #$
>>> 								 #\207"
>>> 									 [org-add-hook
>>> change-major-mode-hook org-babel-show-result- all
>>> append local] 5]
>>> 								 org-babel-result-hide-spec
>>> org-babel-hide-all-hashes) org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook
>>> '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute- safely-maybe)
>>> org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
>>> org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
>>> org-babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
>>> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
>>> org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil
>>> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
>>> '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
>>> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header
>>> org-beamer-fix- toc
>>> org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
>>> 															 org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
>>> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
>>> org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment
>>> org-export-blocks-format-comment t)
>>> 										 (ditaa
>>> org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) (dot
>>> org-export-blocks-format-dot nil)) )
>>>
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>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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>

- Carsten

Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Alan Tyree]

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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Carsten Dominik
<carsten.dominik@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Sep 1, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Alan L Tyree wrote:
>
>  On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:09:58 +0200
>> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Aidan,
>>>
>>> unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
>>> I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many
>>> things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to
>>> address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I
>>> do not have a solution for you.
>>>
>>
>> I also have problems with footnotes. Jan Boecker kindly devised a
>> work-around using non-printing spaces which is OK, but what I would like
>> is:
>>
>> Disable footnotes like [2010], but keep footnotes like [fn:2010]
>>
>
> Also on my list of things to fix when I get there....
>
Carsten,
Very low priority as far as I am concerned. Be nice, but it is hardly a deal
breaker.

Thanks for great software!

Cheers,
Alan


>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>> The reason is that I write legal texts that have references to case law
>> that look like: Marreco v Richardson [1908] 2 KB 584. The dates in
>> square brackets are an essential part of the reference.
>>
>> f:nil in the Options seems to disable all footnotes rather than just
>> the [2010] type. The documentation is slightly misleading on this.
>> Under "Export options" it says:
>>
>> f:      turn on/off footnotes like this[1].
>>
>> I seem to be living more and more in org-mode. Thanks for such great
>> software!
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Aidan Gauland wrote:
>>>
>>>  It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because
>>>> they are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.
>>>> Example...
>>>>
>>>> * A heading
>>>> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>>>>
>>>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>>>                        org-fn-bug-example
>>>>                        ==================
>>>>
>>>> Author: Aidan Gauland
>>>> Date: 2010-08-31 20:33:14 NZST
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Table of Contents
>>>> =================
>>>> 1 A heading
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1 A heading
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>>>>
>>>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>>>
>>>> [1] Some book at [42-24
>>>>
>>>> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so
>>>> this
>>>> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as
>>>> well).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Aidan Gauland
>>>>
>>>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+
>>>> Version 2.20.1)
>>>> of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
>>>> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
>>>>
>>>> current state:
>>>> ==============
>>>> (setq
>>>> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook
>>>> '(org-beamer-after-initial- vars)
>>>> org-agenda-files '("~/uc-files/uc-work.org")
>>>> org-agenda-include-diary t
>>>> org-completion-use-iswitchb t
>>>> org-completion-use-ido t
>>>> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
>>>> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
>>>> org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
>>>> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-
>>>> default
>>>> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
>>>> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
>>>> org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
>>>> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
>>>> org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
>>>> org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
>>>> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
>>>> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
>>>> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-
>>>> drawers
>>>> org-cycle-show-empty-lines
>>>>
>>>>  org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
>>>> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
>>>> '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
>>>> org-mode-hook '(#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
>>>>
>>>> [org-add-hook
>>>> change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all append local] 5]
>>>>                                                                 #[nil
>>>>                                                                 #"\300
>>>>                                                                 #\301
>>>>                                                                 #\302
>>>>                                                                 #\303
>>>>                                                                 #\304
>>>>                                                                 #$
>>>>                                                                 #\207"
>>>>
>>>> [org-add-hook
>>>> change-major-mode-hook org-babel-show-result- all
>>>> append local] 5]
>>>>
>>>> org-babel-result-hide-spec
>>>> org-babel-hide-all-hashes) org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook
>>>> '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute- safely-maybe)
>>>> org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
>>>> org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
>>>> org-babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
>>>> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
>>>> org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil
>>>> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
>>>> '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
>>>> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header
>>>> org-beamer-fix- toc
>>>> org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
>>>> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
>>>> org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment
>>>> org-export-blocks-format-comment t)
>>>>
>>>>         (ditaa
>>>> org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) (dot
>>>> org-export-blocks-format-dot nil)) )
>>>>
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>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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>>>>
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Tel:  04 2748 6206
>>
>>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>


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Re: Bug: Impossible to have right bracket in footnotes [7.01trans]

[Samuel Wales]

One possibility for difficult cases such as these might be extensible
syntax (which is designed for parsing risk).  The idea would be to
allow, for footnotes, an alternate syntax using extensible syntax.
Then it could handle anything.  Also, it would not be necessary to
hack on the footnote code quite that hard.  With the $[ syntax, things
might be a little easier and the parsing code potentially factored in
a decent way.

Dunno if this is the easiest first use for ES, but it might be worth
considering.

On 2010-08-31, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Aidan,
>
> unfortunately this is difficult to fix in a good way.
> I do want to go back to footnotes, because I think there are many
> things that do not yet work satisfactorily.  And then I also hope to
> address the issue you raised.  For the time being, unfortunately, I do
> not have a solution for you.
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Aug 31, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Aidan Gauland wrote:
>
>> It is impossible to have closing brackets in a footnote, because they
>> are treated as the closing bracket for the foot note.  Example...
>>
>> * A heading
>> This is a broken footnote.[fn:: Some book at [42-24].]
>>
>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>                          org-fn-bug-example
>>                          ==================
>>
>> Author: Aidan Gauland
>> Date: 2010-08-31 20:33:14 NZST
>>
>>
>> Table of Contents
>> =================
>> 1 A heading
>>
>>
>> 1 A heading
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> This is a broken footnote.[1].]
>>
>> This will export to (as ASCII, for example)...
>>
>> [1] Some book at [42-24
>>
>> This is how I am required to cite books for my academic essays, so
>> this
>> is a pretty serious bug for me (and no doubt other students, as well).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Aidan Gauland
>>
>> Emacs  : GNU Emacs 24.0.50.6 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
>> 2.20.1)
>> of 2010-08-29 on dimension8
>> Package: Org-mode version 7.01trans
>>
>> current state:
>> ==============
>> (setq
>> org-export-latex-after-initial-vars-hook '(org-beamer-after-initial-
>> vars)
>> org-agenda-files '("~/uc-files/uc-work.org")
>> org-agenda-include-diary t
>> org-completion-use-iswitchb t
>> org-completion-use-ido t
>> org-metaup-hook '(org-babel-load-in-session-maybe)
>> org-after-todo-state-change-hook '(org-clock-out-if-current)
>> org-export-blocks-postblock-hook '(org-exp-res/src-name-cleanup)
>> org-export-latex-format-toc-function 'org-export-latex-format-toc-
>> default
>> org-export-preprocess-hook '(org-export-blocks-preprocess)
>> org-tab-first-hook '(org-hide-block-toggle-maybe
>> org-babel-hide-result-toggle-maybe)
>> org-src-mode-hook '(org-src-babel-configure-edit-buffer
>> org-src-mode-configure-edit-buffer)
>> org-confirm-shell-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
>> org-export-first-hook '(org-beamer-initialize-open-trackers)
>> org-agenda-before-write-hook '(org-agenda-add-entry-text)
>> org-cycle-hook '(org-cycle-hide-archived-subtrees org-cycle-hide-
>> drawers
>> org-cycle-show-empty-lines
>> 									org-optimize-window-after-visibility-change)
>> org-export-preprocess-before-normalizing-links-hook
>> '(org-remove-file-link-modifiers)
>> org-mode-hook '(#[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
>> 									 [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-show-block-all
>> append local] 5]
>> 								 #[nil "\300\301\302\303\304$\207"
>> 									 [org-add-hook change-major-mode-hook org-babel-show-result-
>> all
>> append local] 5]
>> 								 org-babel-result-hide-spec org-babel-hide-all-hashes)
>> org-ctrl-c-ctrl-c-hook '(org-babel-hash-at-point org-babel-execute-
>> safely-maybe)
>> org-confirm-elisp-link-function 'yes-or-no-p
>> org-export-interblocks '((lob org-babel-exp-lob-one-liners) (src
>> org-babel-exp-inline-src-blocks))
>> org-occur-hook '(org-first-headline-recenter)
>> org-outline-path-complete-in-steps nil
>> org-export-preprocess-before-selecting-backend-code-hook
>> '(org-beamer-select-beamer-code)
>> org-export-latex-final-hook '(org-beamer-amend-header org-beamer-fix-
>> toc
>> org-beamer-auto-fragile-frames
>> 															 org-beamer-place-default-actions-for-lists)
>> org-metadown-hook '(org-babel-pop-to-session-maybe)
>> org-export-blocks '((src org-babel-exp-src-blocks nil) (comment
>> org-export-blocks-format-comment t)
>> 										 (ditaa org-export-blocks-format-ditaa nil) (dot
>> org-export-blocks-format-dot nil))
>> )
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>
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