headlines in HTML

headlines in HTML

[Samuel Wales]

I use HTML for Blogger.  My org headers rely on H levels.
One of my posts actually has 4 levels of org hierarchy,
including title.

You might laugh at that much hierarchy, but most of you are
nerds, so I hope you understand.  :) Posts sometimes
naturally have that much hierarchy and it feels silly to
remove cues.

Browsers don't distinguish the headline levels enough, in my
experience.

I have a lot of headlines so that the reader doesn't get
lost in the middle of a wall of text.  Some of my audience
is very, very intelligent and has cognitive issues like
short-term memory, concentration, etc.

Therefore, hierarchy is both useful and necessary to distinguish clearly.

===

I could use "-----" for the lowest level, just as I used
"===" above, but I don't think that was meant for the lowest
level, as it extends to the entire width.  Also, it seems
nicer to have a label to orient the reader in a lot of
cases.

Something to take the place of my plain text "===" would be
very useful, but probably not sufficient.  I realize I can
do something like centering a string like "---".

Bullet lists would be silly in this case, as it's just
normal text and the reader will wonder why some things are
indented and others not.

I don't want to go to numbered sections.

===

Maybe we could somehow skip H levels, so it goes H3 for
title, then H5, H7, H9.  But browsers might not understand
such low level headlines.

Maybe I could have other attributes to set, like centering
and large non-bold, for specific levels.  So, say, top is
large bold centered, then large non-bold centered, then
smaller bold, then smaller non-bold.

Can things like that be done in org?

I don't know if CSS is possible or easy in Blogger,
especially for specific posts.

Maybe some of you have ideas.

Thanks.

Samuel

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Re: headlines in HTML

[Samuel Wales]

I am still very curious about what other orgers (orgsters?
organizers?) do for this.

Do you just do this every time you want a within-headline section?

#+begin_center
---
#+end_center

That is strangely longer than "-----", which I take to be a
higher-level section divider than headlines because it extends all the
way across the page.

More importantly (because I know of no solution yet) how do you get
the headline levels to be more distinct?

Thanks.

Samuel

On 2011-01-23, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
> I use HTML for Blogger.  My org headers rely on H levels.
> One of my posts actually has 4 levels of org hierarchy,
> including title.
>
> You might laugh at that much hierarchy, but most of you are
> nerds, so I hope you understand.  :) Posts sometimes
> naturally have that much hierarchy and it feels silly to
> remove cues.
>
> Browsers don't distinguish the headline levels enough, in my
> experience.
>
> I have a lot of headlines so that the reader doesn't get
> lost in the middle of a wall of text.  Some of my audience
> is very, very intelligent and has cognitive issues like
> short-term memory, concentration, etc.
>
> Therefore, hierarchy is both useful and necessary to distinguish clearly.
>
> ===
>
> I could use "-----" for the lowest level, just as I used
> "===" above, but I don't think that was meant for the lowest
> level, as it extends to the entire width.  Also, it seems
> nicer to have a label to orient the reader in a lot of
> cases.
>
> Something to take the place of my plain text "===" would be
> very useful, but probably not sufficient.  I realize I can
> do something like centering a string like "---".
>
> Bullet lists would be silly in this case, as it's just
> normal text and the reader will wonder why some things are
> indented and others not.
>
> I don't want to go to numbered sections.
>
> ===
>
> Maybe we could somehow skip H levels, so it goes H3 for
> title, then H5, H7, H9.  But browsers might not understand
> such low level headlines.
>
> Maybe I could have other attributes to set, like centering
> and large non-bold, for specific levels.  So, say, top is
> large bold centered, then large non-bold centered, then
> smaller bold, then smaller non-bold.
>
> Can things like that be done in org?
>
> I don't know if CSS is possible or easy in Blogger,
> especially for specific posts.
>
> Maybe some of you have ideas.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Samuel
>
> --
> The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com
> I support WPI: http://www.wpinstitute.org/xmrv/index.html -- PLEASE DONATE
> ===
> I want to see the original (pre-hold) Lo et al. 2010 NIH/FDA/Harvard MLV
> paper.
>


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Re: headlines in HTML

[David Maus]

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At Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:30:00 -0700,
Samuel Wales wrote:
> Maybe we could somehow skip H levels, so it goes H3 for
> title, then H5, H7, H9.  But browsers might not understand
> such low level headlines.
>
> Maybe I could have other attributes to set, like centering
> and large non-bold, for specific levels.  So, say, top is
> large bold centered, then large non-bold centered, then
> smaller bold, then smaller non-bold.
>
> Can things like that be done in org?
>
> I don't know if CSS is possible or easy in Blogger,
> especially for specific posts.

Okay, if I understood you correctly you use headlines to give a blog
post a structure and you are concerned with the appearance of the blog
entry when displayed by a reader's browser.  If this is the case, then
using CSS is the solution.

Cf. http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=41954

Best,
  -- David
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Re: headlines in HTML

[Samuel Wales]

David,

Very interesting, thank you.

Is it possible to style Blogger's post titles this way (i.e. in a
permanent way) too?

Samuel

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Re: headlines in HTML

[David Maus]

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At Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:07:56 -0700,
Samuel Wales wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Very interesting, thank you.
>
> Is it possible to style Blogger's post titles this way (i.e. in a
> permanent way) too?

Dunno much about Blogger but why not? If you can define a custom CSS
than you can change the look/layout of all elements in your post.
Just check which element is used for titles[1] and modify the CSS
accordingly.

Best,
  -- David

[1] The Firefox extensions Firebug [http://getfirebug.com/] might come
in handy.
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