install and info

install and info

[Richard Riley]

There might be an inconsistency in the install process. Well, on my
debian system.

In the Makefile we have

,----
| # Where local software is found
| prefix=/usr/local
| 
| # Where local lisp files go.
| lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
| 
| # Where info files go.
| infodir = $(prefix)/info
`----

Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info system works
but a "sudo make install-info" does not work because (a) it puts the
file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect it in
/usr/local/share/info. In addition the install info command appears to
be broken:

,----
| if [ ! -d /usr/local/info ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/info; else true; fi ;
| cp -p doc/org /usr/local/info
| install-info --info-file=doc/org --info-dir=/usr/local/info
| Usage: install-info [<options> ...] [--] <filename>
`----

Hopefully someone can shed some light. I think it used to work but am
not sure if I was picking up a local info file before.


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R: install and info

[Giovanni Ridolfi]

--- Mer 8/10/08, Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> ha scritto:
> There might be an inconsistency in the install process.
> Well, on my  debian system.
> 
> In the Makefile we have
> 
> ,----
> | # Where local software is found
> | prefix=/usr/local
> | 
> | # Where local lisp files go.
> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
> | 
> | # Where info files go.
> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
> `----
> 
> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info
> system works  but a "sudo make install-info" does not work
> because (a) it puts the
> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect
> it in
> /usr/local/share/info. 

Richard, 
the section of the Makefile you are referring to begins with:
##----------------------------------------------------------------------
##  YOU MUST EDIT THE FOLLOWING LINES 
##----------------------------------------------------------------------

so, please, modify your paths accordingly, 
or download a quite recent version of org 
from the Debian repository (for both testing, 6.05, and sid 6.06)

cheers,

Giovanni


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Re: install and info

[Xiao-Yong Jin]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:

> There might be an inconsistency in the install process. Well, on my
> debian system.
>
> In the Makefile we have
>
> ,----
> | # Where local software is found
> | prefix=/usr/local
> | 
> | # Where local lisp files go.
> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
> | 
> | # Where info files go.
> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
> `----
>
> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info system works
> but a "sudo make install-info" does not work because (a) it puts the
> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect it in
> /usr/local/share/info. 

I changed infodir by myself.

> In addition the install info command appears to be broken:
>
> ,----
> | if [ ! -d /usr/local/info ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/info; else true; fi ;
> | cp -p doc/org /usr/local/info
> | install-info --info-file=doc/org --info-dir=/usr/local/info
> | Usage: install-info [<options> ...] [--] <filename>
> `----
>
> Hopefully someone can shed some light. I think it used to work but am
> not sure if I was picking up a local info file before.

It always worked for me.  This debian system probably has a
different install-info program as most of other system does.
On mine system:

install-info (GNU texinfo) 4.13
Usage: install-info [OPTION]... [INFO-FILE [DIR-FILE]]

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Re: R: install and info

[Richard Riley]

Giovanni Ridolfi <giovanni.ridolfi@yahoo.it> writes:

> --- Mer 8/10/08, Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> ha scritto:
>> There might be an inconsistency in the install process.
>> Well, on my  debian system.
>> 
>> In the Makefile we have
>> 
>> ,----
>> | # Where local software is found
>> | prefix=/usr/local
>> | 
>> | # Where local lisp files go.
>> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
>> | 
>> | # Where info files go.
>> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
>> `----
>> 
>> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info
>> system works  but a "sudo make install-info" does not work
>> because (a) it puts the
>> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect
>> it in
>> /usr/local/share/info. 
>
> Richard, 
> the section of the Makefile you are referring to begins with:
> ##----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ##  YOU MUST EDIT THE FOLLOWING LINES 
> ##----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> so, please, modify your paths accordingly, 

I guess I was requesting (although didnt make it clear) some auto way of
detecting the target OS. Certainly if there is a site elisp I would
expect there to be a site info too - so there is still possibly an
inconsistency in the defaults.


> or download a quite recent version of org 
> from the Debian repository (for both testing, 6.05, and sid 6.06)

Unfortunately they are broken for my setup so I use the recent versions
which are no 6.09 area.


>
> cheers,
>
> Giovanni
>
>
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Re: install and info

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi everyone,

I'd be happy to change the default to

    infodir = $(prefix)/share/info


if this is a better default for most systems.  Is it better?  So could  
people on
different systems out there please check where the standard info  
directory is located?

Thanks.

- Carsten

On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Richard Riley wrote:

>
> There might be an inconsistency in the install process. Well, on my
> debian system.
>
> In the Makefile we have
>
> ,----
> | # Where local software is found
> | prefix=/usr/local
> |
> | # Where local lisp files go.
> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
> |
> | # Where info files go.
> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
> `----
>
> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info system  
> works
> but a "sudo make install-info" does not work because (a) it puts the
> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect it in
> /usr/local/share/info. In addition the install info command appears to
> be broken:
>
> ,----
> | if [ ! -d /usr/local/info ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/info; else  
> true; fi ;
> | cp -p doc/org /usr/local/info
> | install-info --info-file=doc/org --info-dir=/usr/local/info
> | Usage: install-info [<options> ...] [--] <filename>
> `----
>
> Hopefully someone can shed some light. I think it used to work but am
> not sure if I was picking up a local info file before.
>
>
> -- 
> We are becoming the servants in thought, as in action, of the  
> machine we have created to serve us.  ~John Kenneth Galbraith
>
>
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Re: install and info

[Bernt Hansen]

On three systems I have access to the info files are in /usr/share/info

  - Debian
  - FreeBSD
  - Ubuntu

-Bernt

Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd be happy to change the default to
>
>    infodir = $(prefix)/share/info
>
>
> if this is a better default for most systems.  Is it better?  So could
> people on
> different systems out there please check where the standard info
> directory is located?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Richard Riley wrote:
>
>>
>> There might be an inconsistency in the install process. Well, on my
>> debian system.
>>
>> In the Makefile we have
>>
>> ,----
>> | # Where local software is found
>> | prefix=/usr/local
>> |
>> | # Where local lisp files go.
>> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
>> |
>> | # Where info files go.
>> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
>> `----
>>
>> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info system
>> works
>> but a "sudo make install-info" does not work because (a) it puts the
>> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect it in
>> /usr/local/share/info. In addition the install info command appears to
>> be broken:
>>
>> ,----
>> | if [ ! -d /usr/local/info ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/info; else
>> true; fi ;
>> | cp -p doc/org /usr/local/info
>> | install-info --info-file=doc/org --info-dir=/usr/local/info
>> | Usage: install-info [<options> ...] [--] <filename>
>> `----
>>
>> Hopefully someone can shed some light. I think it used to work but am
>> not sure if I was picking up a local info file before.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> We are becoming the servants in thought, as in action, of the
>> machine we have created to serve us.  ~John Kenneth Galbraith
>>
>>
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Re: install and info

[Richard Riley]

Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:

> On three systems I have access to the info files are in /usr/share/info
>
>   - Debian
>   - FreeBSD
>   - Ubuntu

Debian and Ubuntu should be the same I would think since Ubunti is
Debian based.

But there is an org which ships with emacs. I would expect the info file
from that to be there.

If one installs from CVS/git should it not be in /usr/local/share/info ?

I really am not sure personally and frequently have had issues with
other packages and the installation and location of Info files.



>
> -Bernt
>
> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'd be happy to change the default to
>>
>>    infodir = $(prefix)/share/info
>>
>>
>> if this is a better default for most systems.  Is it better?  So could
>> people on
>> different systems out there please check where the standard info
>> directory is located?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Richard Riley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There might be an inconsistency in the install process. Well, on my
>>> debian system.
>>>
>>> In the Makefile we have
>>>
>>> ,----
>>> | # Where local software is found
>>> | prefix=/usr/local
>>> |
>>> | # Where local lisp files go.
>>> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
>>> |
>>> | # Where info files go.
>>> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
>>> `----
>>>
>>> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info system
>>> works
>>> but a "sudo make install-info" does not work because (a) it puts the
>>> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect it in
>>> /usr/local/share/info. In addition the install info command appears to
>>> be broken:
>>>
>>> ,----
>>> | if [ ! -d /usr/local/info ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/info; else
>>> true; fi ;
>>> | cp -p doc/org /usr/local/info
>>> | install-info --info-file=doc/org --info-dir=/usr/local/info
>>> | Usage: install-info [<options> ...] [--] <filename>
>>> `----
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone can shed some light. I think it used to work but am
>>> not sure if I was picking up a local info file before.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> We are becoming the servants in thought, as in action, of the
>>> machine we have created to serve us.  ~John Kenneth Galbraith
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: install and info

[Bernt Hansen]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:

> Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
>
>> On three systems I have access to the info files are in /usr/share/info
>>
>>   - Debian
>>   - FreeBSD
>>   - Ubuntu
>
> Debian and Ubuntu should be the same I would think since Ubunti is
> Debian based.

Yes they should be but I thought I'd list it for completeness :)

I've never messed with info files before (from an installation point of
view) but I was under the impression that the top level 'dir' file needs
to be edited to include new documentation in the tree and that file
lives in whatever the standard info directory is on your system.  I
think you can create new documentation in other locations but you still
need to reference it from the 'dir' file if you want it to be easy to
locate.

>
> But there is an org which ships with emacs. I would expect the info file
> from that to be there.
>
> If one installs from CVS/git should it not be in /usr/local/share/info ?
>
> I really am not sure personally and frequently have had issues with
> other packages and the installation and location of Info files.

Me either.  I'm just trying to provide additional information in case
it's useful.

-Bernt

>>
>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to change the default to
>>>
>>>    infodir = $(prefix)/share/info
>>>
>>>
>>> if this is a better default for most systems.  Is it better?  So could
>>> people on
>>> different systems out there please check where the standard info
>>> directory is located?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>> On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Richard Riley wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There might be an inconsistency in the install process. Well, on my
>>>> debian system.
>>>>
>>>> In the Makefile we have
>>>>
>>>> ,----
>>>> | # Where local software is found
>>>> | prefix=/usr/local
>>>> |
>>>> | # Where local lisp files go.
>>>> | lispdir = $(prefix)/share/emacs/site-lisp
>>>> |
>>>> | # Where info files go.
>>>> | infodir = $(prefix)/info
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> Now I dont pretend to even begin to understand how the info system
>>>> works
>>>> but a "sudo make install-info" does not work because (a) it puts the
>>>> file into /usr/local/info and my system appears to expect it in
>>>> /usr/local/share/info. In addition the install info command appears to
>>>> be broken:
>>>>
>>>> ,----
>>>> | if [ ! -d /usr/local/info ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/info; else
>>>> true; fi ;
>>>> | cp -p doc/org /usr/local/info
>>>> | install-info --info-file=doc/org --info-dir=/usr/local/info
>>>> | Usage: install-info [<options> ...] [--] <filename>
>>>> `----
>>>>
>>>> Hopefully someone can shed some light. I think it used to work but am
>>>> not sure if I was picking up a local info file before.
>>>>
>>>>

Re: Re: install and info

[Xiao-Yong Jin]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:

> Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
>
>> On three systems I have access to the info files are in /usr/share/info
>>
>>   - Debian
>>   - FreeBSD
>>   - Ubuntu
>
> Debian and Ubuntu should be the same I would think since Ubunti is
> Debian based.
>
> But there is an org which ships with emacs. I would expect the info file
> from that to be there.
>
> If one installs from CVS/git should it not be in /usr/local/share/info ?
>
> I really am not sure personally and frequently have had issues with
> other packages and the installation and location of Info files.
>

This is the real problem.  I guess most of the package
managers are not happy with conflicting files from different
packages.  Gentoo, archlinux and FreeBSD are all not happy
with this.  So I just decided to install info files some
where in my home directory and prepend that to my $INFOPATH.

Xiao-Yong
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Re: Re: install and info

[Richard Riley]

Xiao-Yong Jin <xj2106@columbia.edu> writes:

> Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>
>> Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
>>
>>> On three systems I have access to the info files are in /usr/share/info
>>>
>>>   - Debian
>>>   - FreeBSD
>>>   - Ubuntu
>>
>> Debian and Ubuntu should be the same I would think since Ubunti is
>> Debian based.
>>
>> But there is an org which ships with emacs. I would expect the info file
>> from that to be there.
>>
>> If one installs from CVS/git should it not be in /usr/local/share/info ?
>>
>> I really am not sure personally and frequently have had issues with
>> other packages and the installation and location of Info files.
>>
>
> This is the real problem.  I guess most of the package
> managers are not happy with conflicting files from different
> packages.  Gentoo, archlinux and FreeBSD are all not happy
> with this.  So I just decided to install info files some
> where in my home directory and prepend that to my $INFOPATH.
>
> Xiao-Yong

Did you have a local "dir" file too or put in a link into one of the
others?

I suspect this is getting a little OT now and more "How does info work"
:-; But it's reassuring to hear that others scratch their heads a little
too. I have lots of unresolved dir links since I removed (uninstalled
properly) emacs 22 and 21 and went for CVS Emacs 23 and that only adds
to my info woes ...

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Re: install and info

[Ben Alexander]

Hi,

On my Mac OS X (10.5.5) system, /usr/share/info looks like the  
directory with all the info files.  Since I use MacPorts, I usually  
add the org-info file to /opt/local/share/info so the suggested change  
is slightly more convenient in that case, too.

HTH,
Ben


> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd be happy to change the default to
>
>    infodir = $(prefix)/share/info
>
>
> if this is a better default for most systems.  Is it better?  So could
> people on different systems out there please check where the standard info
> directory is located?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Carsten

Re: Re: install and info

[Xiao-Yong Jin]

Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:

> Xiao-Yong Jin <xj2106@columbia.edu> writes:
>
>> Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
>>>
>>>> On three systems I have access to the info files are in /usr/share/info
>>>>
>>>>   - Debian
>>>>   - FreeBSD
>>>>   - Ubuntu
>>>
>>> Debian and Ubuntu should be the same I would think since Ubunti is
>>> Debian based.
>>>
>>> But there is an org which ships with emacs. I would expect the info file
>>> from that to be there.
>>>
>>> If one installs from CVS/git should it not be in /usr/local/share/info ?
>>>
>>> I really am not sure personally and frequently have had issues with
>>> other packages and the installation and location of Info files.
>>>
>>
>> This is the real problem.  I guess most of the package
>> managers are not happy with conflicting files from different
>> packages.  Gentoo, archlinux and FreeBSD are all not happy
>> with this.  So I just decided to install info files some
>> where in my home directory and prepend that to my $INFOPATH.
>>
>> Xiao-Yong
>
> Did you have a local "dir" file too or put in a link into one of the
> others?

Yes, I have a local "dir" file.  In my case,

% echo $INFOPATH
/home/jin/etc/info:

% ls /home/jin/etc/info/
dir  emacs-w3m-ja.info  emacs-w3m.info  emms  org

>
> I suspect this is getting a little OT now and more "How does info work"
> :-; But it's reassuring to hear that others scratch their heads a little
> too. I have lots of unresolved dir links since I removed (uninstalled
> properly) emacs 22 and 21 and went for CVS Emacs 23 and that only adds
> to my info woes ...

As long as the file `dir' is in your $INFOPATH, it will be
searched before the one(s) in your system.  And that's how I
override the system's while keep the system happy.

Xiao-Yong
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Re: install and info

[Sivaram Neelakantan]

Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'd be happy to change the default to
>
>    infodir = $(prefix)/share/info
>
>
> if this is a better default for most systems.  Is it better?  So could
> people on different systems out there please check where the standard
> info directory is located?
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Carsten
>

[...]

On Windows, if you use unzip the Emacs binary under C:/ drive, the
info folder is under C:/Emacs-22.3/ as c:/Emacs-22.3/info.


 sivaram
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