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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [patch suggestion] Mitigating the poor Emacs performance on huge org files: Do not use overlays for PROPERTY and LOGBOOK drawers
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 00:52:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tv0d2nk7.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r1vhqpja.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>

> As you noticed, using Org Element is a no-go, unfortunately. Parsing an
> element is a O(N) operation by the number of elements before it in
> a section. In particular, it is not bounded, and not mitigated by
> a cache. For large documents, it is going to be unbearably slow, too.

Ouch. I thought it is faster.
What do you mean by "not mitigated by a cache"?

The reason I would like to utilise org-element parser to make tracking
modifications more robust. Using details of the syntax would make the
code fragile if any modifications are made to syntax in future.
Debugging bugs in modification functions is not easy, according to my
experience.

One possible way to avoid performance issues during modification is
running parser in advance. For example, folding an element may
as well add information about the element to its text properties.
This will not degrade performance of folding since we are already
parsing the element during folding (at least, in
org-hide-drawer-toggle).

The problem with parsing an element during folding is that we cannot
easily detect changes like below without re-parsing.

:PROPERTIES: <folded>
:CREATED: [2020-05-18 Mon]
:END: <- added line
:ID: test
:END:

or even

:PROPERTIES:
:CREATED: [2020-05-18 Mon]
:ID: test
:END: <- delete this line

:DRAWER: <folded, cannot be unfolded if we don't re-parse after deletion>
test
:END:

The re-parsing can be done via regexp, as you suggested, but I don't
like this idea, because it will end up re-implementing
org-element-*-parser. Would it be acceptable to run org-element-*-parser
in after-change-functions?

> If you use modification-hooks and al., you don't need to parse anything,
> because you can store information as text properties. Therefore, once
> the modification happens, you already know where you are (or, at least
> where you were before the change).

> The ideas I suggested about sensitive parts of elements are worth
> exploring, IMO. Do you have any issue with them?

If I understand correctly, it is not as easy.
Consider the following example:

:PROPERTIES:
:CREATED: [2020-05-18 Mon]
<region-beginning>
:ID: example
:END:

<... a lot of text, maybe containing other drawers ...>

Nullam rutrum.
Pellentesque dapibus suscipit ligula.
<region-end>
Proin quam nisl, tincidunt et, mattis eget, convallis nec, purus.

If the region gets deleted, the modification hooks from chars inside
drawer will be called as (hook-function <region-beginning>
<region-end>). So, there is still a need to find the drawer somehow to
mark it as about to be modified (modification hooks are ran before
actual modification).

The only difference between using modification hooks and
before-change-functions is that modification hooks will trigger less
frequently. Considering the performance of org-element-at-point, it is
probably worth doing. Initially, I wanted to avoid it because setting a
single before-change-functions hook sounded cleaner than setting
modification-hooks, insert-behind-hooks, and insert-in-front-hooks.
Moreover, these text properties would be copied by default if one uses 
buffer-substring. Then, the hooks will also trigger later in the yanked
text, which may cause all kinds of bugs.

> `org-element-at-point' is local, `org-element-parse-buffer' is global.
> They are not equivalent, but is it an issue?

It was mostly an annoyance, because they returned different results on
the same element. Specifically, they returned different :post-blank and
:end properties, which does not sound right.

Best,
Ihor




Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Apparently my previous email was again refused by your mail server (I
>> tried to add patch as attachment this time).
>
> Ah. This is annoying, for you and for me.
>
>> The patch is in
>> https://gist.github.com/yantar92/6447754415457927293acda43a7fcaef
>
> Thank you.
>
>>> I have finished a seemingly stable implementation of handling changes
>>> inside drawer and block elements. For now, I did not bother with
>>> 'modification-hooks and 'insert-in-font/behind-hooks, but simply used
>>> before/after-change-functions.
>>>
>>> The basic idea is saving parsed org-elements before the modification
>>> (with :begin and :end replaced by markers) and comparing them with the 
>>> versions of the same elements after the modification.
>>> Any valid org element can be examined in such way by an arbitrary
>>> function (see org-track-modification-elements) [1].
>
> As you noticed, using Org Element is a no-go, unfortunately. Parsing an
> element is a O(N) operation by the number of elements before it in
> a section. In particular, it is not bounded, and not mitigated by
> a cache. For large documents, it is going to be unbearably slow, too.
>
> I don't think the solution is to use combine-after-change-calls either,
> because even a single call to `org-element-at-point' can be noticeable
> in a very large section. Such low-level code should avoid using the
> Element library altogether, except for the initial folding part, which
> is interactive.
>
> If you use modification-hooks and al., you don't need to parse anything,
> because you can store information as text properties. Therefore, once
> the modification happens, you already know where you are (or, at least
> where you were before the change).
>
> The ideas I suggested about sensitive parts of elements are worth
> exploring, IMO. Do you have any issue with them?
>
>>> For (2), I have introduced org--property-drawer-modified-re to override
>>> org-property-drawer-re in relevant *-change-function. This seems to work
>>> for property drawers. However, I am not sure if similar problem may
>>> happen in some border cases with ordinary drawers or blocks. 
>
> I already specified what parts were "sensitive" in a previous message.
>
>>> 2. I have noticed that results of org-element-at-point and
>>> org-element-parse-buffer are not always consistent.
>
> `org-element-at-point' is local, `org-element-parse-buffer' is global.
> They are not equivalent, but is it an issue?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -- 
> Nicolas Goaziou

-- 
Ihor Radchenko,
PhD,
Center for Advancing Materials Performance from the Nanoscale (CAMP-nano)
State Key Laboratory for Mechanical Behavior of Materials, Xi'an Jiaotong University, Xi'an, China
Email: yantar92@gmail.com, ihor_radchenko@alumni.sutd.edu.sg


  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-18 17:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-24  6:55 Ihor Radchenko
2020-04-24  8:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-25  0:29   ` stardiviner
2020-04-26 16:04   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-04 16:56     ` Karl Voit
2020-05-07  7:18       ` Karl Voit
2020-05-09 15:43       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-07 11:04     ` Christian Heinrich
2020-05-09 15:46       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-08 16:38     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 13:58       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 16:22         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-09 17:21           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10  5:25             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10  9:47               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 13:29                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 14:46                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 16:21                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 16:38                       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 17:08                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 19:38                           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 15:40       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-09 16:30         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-09 17:32           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-09 18:06             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 14:59               ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-10 15:15                 ` Kyle Meyer
2020-05-10 16:30                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-10 19:32                   ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-12 10:03                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-17 15:00                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-17 15:40                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-18 14:35                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-18 16:52                           ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2020-05-19 13:07                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-23 13:52                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-23 13:53                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-23 15:26                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-05-26  8:33                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-02  9:21                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02  9:23                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 12:10                                       ` Bastien
2020-06-02 13:12                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 13:23                                           ` Bastien
2020-06-02 13:30                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02  9:25                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-05  7:26                                     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-05  8:18                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-05 13:50                                         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-08  5:05                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-08  5:06                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-08  5:08                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-10 17:14                                             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-06-21  9:52                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-21 15:01                                                 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-08-11  6:45                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-08-11 23:07                                                 ` Kyle Meyer
2020-08-12  6:29                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-20  5:53                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-20 11:45                                                       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-22  9:05                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-22 10:00                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-23  6:16                                                             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-23  6:48                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-23  7:09                                                                 ` Bastien
2020-09-23  7:30                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-24 18:07                                                                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-25  2:16                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-15 17:38                                                                     ` [9.4] Fixing logbook visibility during isearch Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-16  3:15                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-16 18:05                                                                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-17  3:18                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-17 14:50                                                                             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-18  2:23                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-24 23:37                                                                                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-25  2:51                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25 10:59                                                                                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-25 12:32                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-25 21:35                                                                                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-26  4:14                                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-26 11:44                                                                                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-12-26 12:22                                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-12-04  5:58                                                       ` [patch suggestion] Mitigating the poor Emacs performance on huge org files: Do not use overlays for PROPERTY and LOGBOOK drawers Ihor Radchenko
2021-03-21  9:09                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-05-03 17:28                                                           ` Bastien
2021-09-21 13:32                                                             ` Timothy
2021-10-26 17:25                                                               ` Matt Price
2021-10-27  6:27                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                             ` [PATCH 00/35] Merge org-fold feature branch Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 01/35] Add org-fold-core: new folding engine Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 02/35] Separate folding functions from org.el into new library: org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 03/35] Separate cycling functions from org.el into new library: org-cycle Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 04/35] Remove functions from org.el that are now moved elsewhere Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 05/35] Disable native-comp in agenda Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 06/35] org-macs: New function org-find-text-property-region Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:37                                                               ` [PATCH 07/35] org-at-heading-p: Accept optional argument Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 08/35] org-string-width: Reimplement to work with new folding Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 09/35] Rename old function call to use org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 10/35] Implement link folding Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-04  6:13                                                                 ` [BUG] 67275f4 broke evil-search " Tom Gillespie
2022-05-04  6:38                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 11/35] Implement overlay- and text-property-based versions of some functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 12/35] org-fold: Handle indirect buffer visibility Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 13/35] Fix subtle differences between overlays and invisible text properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 14/35] Support extra org-fold optimisations for huge buffers Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 15/35] Alias new org-fold functions to their old shorter names Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 16/35] Obsolete old function names that are now in org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 17/35] org-compat: Work around some third-party packages using outline-* functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 18/35] Move `org-buffer-list' to org-macs.el Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 19/35] Restore old visibility behaviour of org-refile Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 20/35] Add org-fold-related tests Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 21/35] org-manual: Update to new org-fold function names Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 22/35] ORG-NEWS: Add list of changes Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 20:31                                                                 ` New folding backend & outline (was: [PATCH 22/35] ORG-NEWS: Add list of changes) Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-01-30  2:15                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 23/35] Backport contributed commits Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 24/35] Fix typo: delete-duplicates → delete-dups Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 25/35] Fix bug in org-get-heading Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 26/35] Rename remaining org-force-cycle-archived → org-cycle-force-archived Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 27/35] Fix org-fold--hide-drawers--overlays Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 28/35] org-string-width: Handle undefined behaviour in older Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 29/35] org-string-width: Work around `window-pixel-width' bug in old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 30/35] org-fold-show-set-visibility: Fix edge case when folded region is at BOB Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 31/35] org-fold-core: Fix fontification inside folded regions Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 32/35] test-org/string-width: Add tests for strings with prefix properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 33/35] org--string-from-props: Fix handling folds in Emacs <28 Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 34/35] org-link-make-string: Throw error when both LINK and DESCRIPTION are empty Ihor Radchenko
2022-01-29 11:38                                                               ` [PATCH 35/35] test-ol/org-toggle-link-display: Fix compatibility with old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-03  6:27                                                               ` [PATCH 00/35] Merge org-fold feature branch Bastien
2022-02-03  7:07                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:23                                                                   ` [PATCH v2 00/38] Final call for comments: " Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:23                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 01/38] Add org-fold-core: new folding engine--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 02/38] Separate folding functions from org.el into new library: org-fold Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 03/38] Separate cycling functions from org.el into new library: org-cycle Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 04/38] Remove functions from org.el that are now moved elsewhere Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 05/38] Disable native-comp in agendaIt caused cryptic bugs in the past Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 06/38] org-macs: New function org-find-text-property-region--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:24                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 07/38] org-at-heading-p: Accept optional argument* lisp/org.el (org-at-heading-p): Use second argument to allow Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 08/38] org-string-width: Reimplement to work with new folding Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 09/38] Rename old function call to use org-fold--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 10/38] Implement link folding* lisp/ol.el (org-link--link-folding-spec): Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 11/38] Implement overlay- and text-property-based versions of some functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 12/38] org-fold: Handle indirect buffer visibility--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 13/38] Fix subtle differences between overlays and invisible text properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 14/38] Support extra org-fold optimisations for huge buffers Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 15/38] Alias new org-fold functions to their old shorter names Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:25                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 16/38] Obsolete old function names that are now in org-fold--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 17/38] org-compat: Work around some third-party packages using outline-* functions Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 18/38] Move `org-buffer-list' to org-macs.el--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 19/38] Restore old visibility behaviour of org-refile--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 20/38] Add org-fold-related tests--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 21/38] org-manual: Update to new org-fold function names--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 22/38] ORG-NEWS: Add list of changes--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 23/38] Backport contributed commits--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 24/38] Fix typo: delete-duplicates → delete-dups Anders Johansson
2022-04-20 13:26                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 25/38] Fix bug in org-get-headingFixes #26, where fontification could make the matching and extraction of heading Anders Johansson
2022-04-20 13:27                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 26/38] Rename remaining org-force-cycle-archived Anders Johansson
2022-04-20 13:27                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 27/38] Fix org-fold--hide-drawers--overlays--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:27                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 28/38] org-string-width: Handle undefined behaviour in older Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:27                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 29/38] org-string-width: Work around `window-pixel-width' bug in old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:27                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 30/38] org-fold-show-set-visibility: Fix edge case when folded region is at BOB Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 31/38] org-fold-core: Fix fontification inside folded regions Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 32/38] test-org/string-width: Add tests for strings with prefix properties Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 33/38] org--string-from-props: Fix handling folds in Emacs <28 Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 34/38] org-link-make-string: Throw error when both LINK and DESCRIPTION are empty Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 35/38] test-ol/org-toggle-link-display: Fix compatibility with old Emacs Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 36/38] org-macs.el: Fix fontification checks take 2--- Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 37/38] org-fold-core-fontify-region: Fix cases when fontification is not registered Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 13:28                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 38/38] org-agenda.el: Re-enable native compilation* lisp/org-agenda.el: Re-enable native compilation as it does not Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 14:47                                                                     ` [PATCH v2 00/38] Final call for comments: Merge org-fold feature branch Bastien
2022-04-20 15:38                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-20 16:22                                                                         ` Bastien
2022-04-21  6:01                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-21  6:55                                                                             ` Bastien
2022-04-21  9:27                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-21  9:43                                                                                 ` Bastien
2022-04-22 18:54                                                                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-04-25 11:44                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-25 13:02                                                                         ` Bastien
2022-04-25 13:25                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-25 14:05                                                                             ` Bastien
2022-04-26 11:48                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-25 11:45                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-04-26  6:10                                                                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2022-05-03  4:44                                                                     ` [ISSUE] org-fold does not support auto-reveal for some external package commands Christopher M. Miles
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2022-05-03  6:33                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-03 10:19                                                                         ` [DONE] " Christopher M. Miles

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