Re: Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes

Re: Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes

[Bastien]

Hi Tassilo,

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway?  Are
> there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files except the
> nice and explanatory customize interface?

One advantage I see is that org.el can define a default set of loaded
modules, while suggesting the user that there are many others to load.

-- 
 Bastien

Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes

[Carsten Dominik]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
> Date: September 7, 2009 4:36:31 PM GMT+02:00
> To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: loading org changes faces in other modes
>
> Hi Carsten,
>
> On 2009-09-03, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Is there anything wrong with your gnus installation?
>
> I do not use gnus.
>
> (It actually would be faster for org not to load gnus-sum.  gnus-sum
> requires the rest of gnus.)
>
> Just Carbon Emacs gnus.
>
>> What does happen when you evaluate
>>
>> (require 'gnus-sum)
>>
>> ?
>
> It depends on when I load it.  If org loads it, bug.  But if I load it
> before or after require org-install on a good org (one that does not
> load it), no bug.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Samuel
>
> -- 
> Myalgic encephalomyelitis causes death (Jason et al. 2006)
> and severe suffering.  Conflicts of interest are destroying
> research.  What people "know" is wrong.  Silence = death.
> http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm

Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes

[Tassilo Horn]

Hi Carsten,

with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway?  Are
there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files except the
nice and explanatory customize interface?

Bye,
Tassilo

> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
>> Date: September 7, 2009 4:36:31 PM GMT+02:00
>> To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: loading org changes faces in other modes
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> On 2009-09-03, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there anything wrong with your gnus installation?
>>
>> I do not use gnus.
>>
>> (It actually would be faster for org not to load gnus-sum.  gnus-sum
>> requires the rest of gnus.)
>>
>> Just Carbon Emacs gnus.
>>
>>> What does happen when you evaluate
>>>
>>> (require 'gnus-sum)
>>>
>>> ?
>>
>> It depends on when I load it.  If org loads it, bug.  But if I load it
>> before or after require org-install on a good org (one that does not
>> load it), no bug.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Samuel
>>
>> -- 
>> Myalgic encephalomyelitis causes death (Jason et al. 2006)
>> and severe suffering.  Conflicts of interest are destroying
>> research.  What people "know" is wrong.  Silence = death.
>> http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm
>
>
>
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Re: Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes

[Carsten Dominik]

On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bastien wrote:

> Hi Tassilo,
>
> Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
>
>> with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway?   
>> Are
>> there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files  
>> except the
>> nice and explanatory customize interface?
>
> One advantage I see is that org.el can define a default set of loaded
> modules, while suggesting the user that there are many others to load.

Exactly.  I did not like the planner setup, where you have to go
in and put a significant number of require statements before
the thing will actually work.  So while I wanted a modular
package,  also wanted to ship a fully activated package.

Secondly, just as Bastien says, I want to make it easy to
find modules you might want to use.

But it is not easy to get the loading of the modules right,
the timing is important.  It has worked pretty well so far
though, I would say.

For the problem with gnus, I have now found a solution, I think.
I do now (in org-gnus.el):

(require 'org)
(eval-when-compile (require 'gnus-sum))
;; The following line suppresses a compier warning stemming from gnus- 
sum.el
;; because this function is used before being defined
(declare-function gnus-summary-last-subject "gnus-sum" nil)

That does compile without errors, and it delays loading gnus
until it is actually used.

I'd like to hear if anyone still has problems with the latest
git release.

Thanks!

- Carsten

Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes

[Tassilo Horn]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

Hi Bastien,

>> with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway?
>> Are there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files
>> except the nice and explanatory customize interface?
>
> One advantage I see is that org.el can define a default set of loaded
> modules, while suggesting the user that there are many others to load.

Yes, I agree.  On the other hand a listing in the info doc's
installation section would be nearly as good as the customize interface.

Anyway, those strange fontification troubles arising when org loads
modules automatically via org-modules are definitively a bug.  Not sure
if its on our or the emacs side...

Bye,
Tassilo