* Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes [not found] <20524da70909070736x1484b2e7r84d8f64dc398d405@mail.gmail.com> @ 2009-09-07 14:41 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-09-07 18:35 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-09-07 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: org-mode Mailinglist Begin forwarded message: > From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> > Date: September 7, 2009 4:36:31 PM GMT+02:00 > To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: loading org changes faces in other modes > > Hi Carsten, > > On 2009-09-03, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: >> Is there anything wrong with your gnus installation? > > I do not use gnus. > > (It actually would be faster for org not to load gnus-sum. gnus-sum > requires the rest of gnus.) > > Just Carbon Emacs gnus. > >> What does happen when you evaluate >> >> (require 'gnus-sum) >> >> ? > > It depends on when I load it. If org loads it, bug. But if I load it > before or after require org-install on a good org (one that does not > load it), no bug. > > Thanks. > > Samuel > > -- > Myalgic encephalomyelitis causes death (Jason et al. 2006) > and severe suffering. Conflicts of interest are destroying > research. What people "know" is wrong. Silence = death. > http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes 2009-09-07 14:41 ` Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes Carsten Dominik @ 2009-09-07 18:35 ` Tassilo Horn 2009-09-07 12:53 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2009-09-07 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi Carsten, with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway? Are there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files except the nice and explanatory customize interface? Bye, Tassilo > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> >> Date: September 7, 2009 4:36:31 PM GMT+02:00 >> To: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: loading org changes faces in other modes >> >> Hi Carsten, >> >> On 2009-09-03, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Is there anything wrong with your gnus installation? >> >> I do not use gnus. >> >> (It actually would be faster for org not to load gnus-sum. gnus-sum >> requires the rest of gnus.) >> >> Just Carbon Emacs gnus. >> >>> What does happen when you evaluate >>> >>> (require 'gnus-sum) >>> >>> ? >> >> It depends on when I load it. If org loads it, bug. But if I load it >> before or after require org-install on a good org (one that does not >> load it), no bug. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Samuel >> >> -- >> Myalgic encephalomyelitis causes death (Jason et al. 2006) >> and severe suffering. Conflicts of interest are destroying >> research. What people "know" is wrong. Silence = death. >> http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes 2009-09-07 18:35 ` Tassilo Horn @ 2009-09-07 12:53 ` Bastien 2009-09-08 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-09-08 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn 0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2009-09-07 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tassilo Horn; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Tassilo, Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes: > with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway? Are > there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files except the > nice and explanatory customize interface? One advantage I see is that org.el can define a default set of loaded modules, while suggesting the user that there are many others to load. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes 2009-09-07 12:53 ` Bastien @ 2009-09-08 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-09-08 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-09-08 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: Tassilo Horn, emacs-orgmode On Sep 7, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Bastien wrote: > Hi Tassilo, > > Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes: > >> with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway? >> Are >> there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files >> except the >> nice and explanatory customize interface? > > One advantage I see is that org.el can define a default set of loaded > modules, while suggesting the user that there are many others to load. Exactly. I did not like the planner setup, where you have to go in and put a significant number of require statements before the thing will actually work. So while I wanted a modular package, also wanted to ship a fully activated package. Secondly, just as Bastien says, I want to make it easy to find modules you might want to use. But it is not easy to get the loading of the modules right, the timing is important. It has worked pretty well so far though, I would say. For the problem with gnus, I have now found a solution, I think. I do now (in org-gnus.el): (require 'org) (eval-when-compile (require 'gnus-sum)) ;; The following line suppresses a compier warning stemming from gnus- sum.el ;; because this function is used before being defined (declare-function gnus-summary-last-subject "gnus-sum" nil) That does compile without errors, and it delays loading gnus until it is actually used. I'd like to hear if anyone still has problems with the latest git release. Thanks! - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
* Re: Fwd: loading org changes faces in other modes 2009-09-07 12:53 ` Bastien 2009-09-08 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2009-09-08 7:50 ` Tassilo Horn 1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread From: Tassilo Horn @ 2009-09-08 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes: Hi Bastien, >> with all those troubles, what's the point in `org-modules' anyway? >> Are there any benefits over plain requires in users' .emacs files >> except the nice and explanatory customize interface? > > One advantage I see is that org.el can define a default set of loaded > modules, while suggesting the user that there are many others to load. Yes, I agree. On the other hand a listing in the info doc's installation section would be nearly as good as the customize interface. Anyway, those strange fontification troubles arising when org loads modules automatically via org-modules are definitively a bug. Not sure if its on our or the emacs side... Bye, Tassilo ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread
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