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From: Timothy <orgmode@tec.tecosaur.net>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Cc: Timothy <orgmode@tec.tecosaur.net>,
	Jude DaShiell <jdashiel@panix.com>,
	Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: org exported pdf files
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 01:39:08 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <875yh72y3n.fsf@tec.tecosaur.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86tu4ro11c.fsf@gmail.com>

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Hi Tim,

> None of what yuo wrote is a surprise. Unfortunately, it does mean two
> things
>
> 1. Org mode cannot be used to create accessible PDF documents as long as
> it depends on the latex environment to generate those documents.

It means that Org mode cannot /currently/ be used…

I have hope that in 1-2y this will change.

> 2. Technically, Org mode cannot be used in any organisation (specifically government

Can’t comment on this.

> I don’t know if other document processors, like perhaps pandoc, can
> create PDF files which contain the tagging and other structural
> metadatra necessary to make PDFs accessible.

Pandoc’s PDFs via LaTeX will have exactly the same problem.

> Note that org also lacks any accessibility support for HTML generated
> documents as well. However, this is less problematic as authors do have
> some ability to add the necessary attributes that can improve
> accessibility - an option not available with Latex.

HTML has more inherent structure, so this situation is already much better.

> An unfortunate situation really - especially given Emacs has one of the
> most powerful and advanced accessibility options available via
> emacspeak.

Well, Emacs is a bit divorced from this problem.

> I also won’t hold my breath for a new latgex core. THe latex3 initiative
> seems to have failed or at least appears to be slower to be realised than perl6!

Hmm? LaTeX3 switched gear, and arguably is working nicely. I expect you’re
currently using quite a few bits of LaTeX3, even if you don’t know it.

The accessibility effort was started ~2y ago, seems to be making progress
(stalled a bit with covid), and is funded with a roadmap. I see good reason to
think the current situation will change.

All the best,
Timothy

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-28 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-27  1:48 org exported pdf files Jude DaShiell
2022-09-27  2:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27  3:15   ` Jude DaShiell
2022-09-27  3:24     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-27  4:31       ` Jude DaShiell
2022-09-27  4:58         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-28  4:36           ` Jude DaShiell
2022-09-28  4:53             ` Timothy
2022-09-28  6:48               ` Jude DaShiell
2022-09-28  8:47                 ` Tim Cross
2022-09-28  9:19                   ` Timothy
2022-09-28 17:08                     ` Tim Cross
2022-09-28 17:39                       ` Timothy [this message]
2022-09-28 18:23                       ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-09-29 20:58                         ` Tim Cross
2022-09-29  4:09                       ` Org HTML export accessibility (was: org exported pdf files) Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-29  8:22                         ` Tim Cross
2022-09-29 11:43                           ` Jude DaShiell
2022-09-29 21:05                           ` Apology [was: Re: Org HTML export accessibility (was: org exported pdf files)) Tim Cross
2022-09-30  5:34                             ` tomas
2022-10-02 10:59                             ` Apology [ Fraga, Eric
2022-10-02  9:42                           ` [HELP] Help implementing org-lint/warnings buffer during export (was: Org HTML export accessibility (was: org exported pdf files)) Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-02 20:52                             ` Tim Cross
2022-10-03  3:25                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-29  7:07                       ` org exported pdf files Max Nikulin
2022-09-29 21:00                         ` Tim Cross
2022-10-01 10:55                       ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-28 13:02                   ` Jude DaShiell
2022-09-28 16:12                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-27 11:08         ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-28  3:07           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-28 15:58             ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-29  4:12               ` Add \usepackage{cmap} as default LaTeX class in ox-latex (was: org exported pdf files) Ihor Radchenko
2022-09-29 15:34                 ` Max Nikulin

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