* Definition of "unscheduled" task
@ 2007-10-14 3:35 Wanrong Lin
2007-10-14 6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14 3:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed
regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and do
a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the list.
However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps ("appointment
tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when
org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
Wanrong
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task 2007-10-14 3:35 Definition of "unscheduled" task Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14 6:17 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-10-14 15:45 ` Wanrong Lin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-14 6:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote: > Hi, > > I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed > regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and > do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the list. > However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps > ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when > org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"? Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO? - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task 2007-10-14 6:17 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-14 15:45 ` Wanrong Lin 2007-10-15 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this: * Dental *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00> * Medical *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam * Useful Websites Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry indicates some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment. In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and have appointments removed from the TODO item list if "ignore-scheduled" is turned on. Wanrong Carsten Dominik wrote: > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed >> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and >> do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the >> list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps >> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when >> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"? > > Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO? > > - Carsten > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task 2007-10-14 15:45 ` Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-15 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik 2007-10-15 19:08 ` Wanrong Lin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-15 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Well, I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give you a new variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'. How about that? - Carsten On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote: > > That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any > "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to record > information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this: > > * Dental > *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning > <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00> > * Medical > *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam > * Useful Websites > > Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry indicates > some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a > separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain > entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the > system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that > operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO > keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it > done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO > entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding a > time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" > keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment. > > In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and > have appointments removed from the TODO item list if > "ignore-scheduled" is turned on. > > Wanrong > > Carsten Dominik wrote: >> >> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed >>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", >>> and do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the >>> list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps >>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when >>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"? >> >> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO? >> >> - Carsten >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task 2007-10-15 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-15 19:08 ` Wanrong Lin 2007-10-16 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-15 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Sounds like my argument did not convince you. :-) But a new variable works for me. I really appreciate the extra effort you take. Wanrong Carsten Dominik wrote: > Well, > > I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give > you a new > variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'. How about that? > > - Carsten > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote: > >> >> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any >> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to >> record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this: >> >> * Dental >> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning >> <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00> >> * Medical >> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam >> * Useful Websites >> >> Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry indicates >> some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a >> separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain >> entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the >> system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that >> operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO >> keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it >> done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO >> entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding >> a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" >> keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment. >> >> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and >> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if >> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on. >> >> Wanrong >> >> Carsten Dominik wrote: >>> >>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed >>>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", >>>> and do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in >>>> the list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps >>>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when >>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"? >>> >>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO? >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >> >> > > -- > Carsten Dominik > Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" > Universiteit van Amsterdam > Kruislaan 403 > NL-1098SJ Amsterdam > phone: +31 20 525 7477 > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task 2007-10-15 19:08 ` Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-16 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-16 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: org-mode list On Oct 15, 2007, at 21:08, Wanrong Lin wrote: > > Sounds like my argument did not convince you. :-) No, you misunderstand. I do see why you might want to mark appointments TODO (even if I would not do it). But "scheduled" in the context of Org has to do with *planning*. You *plan* to work on this item that day, but it is not ab absolute fix like a dentist appointment. So I think it is wrong to turn these off with a variable that contains the word "scheduled" in the name. - Carsten > But a new variable works for me. I really appreciate the extra effort > you take. > > Wanrong > > Carsten Dominik wrote: >> Well, >> >> I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give >> you a new >> variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'. How about that? >> >> - Carsten >> >> On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote: >> >>> >>> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any >>> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to >>> record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like >>> this: >>> >>> * Dental >>> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning >>> <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00> >>> * Medical >>> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam >>> * Useful Websites >>> >>> Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry >>> indicates some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is >>> scheduled is a separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my >>> org system certain entries need action but don't have a TODO >>> keyword, my trust of the system will decrease since there are many >>> functions in org-mode that operates on TODO entries only (or better >>> so). Also, with a TODO keyword, I can change the state of it (I can >>> cancel it, I can mark it done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just >>> want to create a TODO entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an >>> appointment by adding a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I >>> need to remove the "TODO" keyword once I have that item scheduled as >>> an appointment. >>> >>> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and >>> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if >>> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on. >>> >>> Wanrong >>> >>> Carsten Dominik wrote: >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be >>>>> reviewed regularly. So I first turn on >>>>> "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and do a "List of all TODO >>>>> entries, and then review all tasks in the list. However, I found >>>>> that tasks with plain active time stamps ("appointment tasks") are >>>>> also listed. Should we exclude them when >>>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"? >>>> >>>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO? >>>> >>>> - Carsten >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Carsten Dominik >> Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" >> Universiteit van Amsterdam >> Kruislaan 403 >> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam >> phone: +31 20 525 7477 >> > > -- Carsten Dominik Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek" Universiteit van Amsterdam Kruislaan 403 NL-1098SJ Amsterdam phone: +31 20 525 7477 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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