Re: how difficultwould it be to support zotero in org?

From: Alan L Tyree <alantyree@gmail.com>
To: mail@christianmoe.com
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: how difficultwould it be to support zotero in org?
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:36:14 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100904083614.8af1a8a4.alantyree@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C8168DE.9060608@christianmoe.com>

On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:30:06 +0200
Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm in the same situation, eager to do humanities in plain text.
> 
> (One possibility is reStructuredText, with an elegant syntax and an 
> excellent ODF exporter. But I love the Swiss-army-knife-ness of Org.)
> 
> Just wondering two things:
> 
> 1. Have you tried out Org > HTML > MS Word or OpenOffice, and how is 
> it worse than mk4ht for someone who'd prefer not to learn latex?
> 
> I find that this works amazingly well:
> - export HTML, delete the XML declaration
> - open HTML in OpenOffice and remove sections
> - select all, copy, paste into a new document, and save that document 
> as .doc/.odt/.rtf (a bit cumbersome -- there ought to be an option to 
> open HTML and Save As an office format, but I can't find it)
> 
> This gives footnotes, tables, even bookmarks, with internal links to 
> targets or custom IDs preserved.

You can use the same sequence using Abiword instead of OO. Abiword will
read the XHTML file w/o the necessity to delete the heading, and will
export directly to MS Word.

I have only used it for relatively short documents (< 20 pages), so
don't know how it will work on longer docs.

Cheers,
Alan

> 
> 2. Given that the above is a viable path to get Rich Text Format 
> documents, have you tried {Smith, 1995, 6-7} citations and formatting 
> with Zotero's RTF scan (http://www.zotero.org/support/rtf_scan)? It's 
> another manual step, of course, so the whole process gets pretty 
> lengthy, but it does let you format bibliographies for Word with 
> Zotero from Org...
> 
> Yours,
> Christian
> 
> > this is certainly something I'd like to do.  But i have the problem
> > that (1) I don't really know how to use latex, and was trying to
> > avoid what now seems like the necessary task of learning how to use
> > it; and
> > (2) in my field (history) latex and bibtex are both pretty
> > problematic as export formats.  Bibtex doesn't support most
> > humanistic citation styles (and has a rigid type strcture which
> > doesn't accommodate things like archival materials very well; while
> > latex is neither an acceptable submission format for most journals,
> > nor a good formation for collaboration with other scholars (since
> > everyone else writes in MS Word).  This means that what I really
> > need is a more robust open-document exporter; but that's been
> > giving me problem after problem lately (for instance, mk4ht has
> > stopped exporting some of my most important documents, for reasons
> > I don't understand but might be related to org-mode's latex
> > exporter.  I have this notion I saw a generic exporter that someone
> > wrote for odt, in which you feed the exporter a template document
> > which ocntains all the relevant style definitions.  but I can't
> > find it anymore, and as I recall it didn't really seem to work very
> > well anyway.
> >
> 
> 
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