From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Alan L Tyree Subject: Re: how difficultwould it be to support zotero in org? Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 08:36:14 +1000 Message-ID: <20100904083614.8af1a8a4.alantyree@gmail.com> References: <87lj7kapzq.wl%dmaus@ictsoc.de> <4C801DFC.8030700@christianmoe.com> <4C8168DE.9060608@christianmoe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53267 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Orery-00023B-L5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:36:31 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Orert-000880-UT for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:36:26 -0400 Received: from mail-px0-f169.google.com ([209.85.212.169]:52004) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Orert-00087h-Mq for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 18:36:21 -0400 Received: by pxi5 with SMTP id 5so581279pxi.0 for ; Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:36:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C8168DE.9060608@christianmoe.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: mail@christianmoe.com Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Fri, 03 Sep 2010 23:30:06 +0200 Christian Moe wrote: > Hi, > > I'm in the same situation, eager to do humanities in plain text. > > (One possibility is reStructuredText, with an elegant syntax and an > excellent ODF exporter. But I love the Swiss-army-knife-ness of Org.) > > Just wondering two things: > > 1. Have you tried out Org > HTML > MS Word or OpenOffice, and how is > it worse than mk4ht for someone who'd prefer not to learn latex? > > I find that this works amazingly well: > - export HTML, delete the XML declaration > - open HTML in OpenOffice and remove sections > - select all, copy, paste into a new document, and save that document > as .doc/.odt/.rtf (a bit cumbersome -- there ought to be an option to > open HTML and Save As an office format, but I can't find it) > > This gives footnotes, tables, even bookmarks, with internal links to > targets or custom IDs preserved. You can use the same sequence using Abiword instead of OO. Abiword will read the XHTML file w/o the necessity to delete the heading, and will export directly to MS Word. I have only used it for relatively short documents (< 20 pages), so don't know how it will work on longer docs. Cheers, Alan > > 2. Given that the above is a viable path to get Rich Text Format > documents, have you tried {Smith, 1995, 6-7} citations and formatting > with Zotero's RTF scan (http://www.zotero.org/support/rtf_scan)? It's > another manual step, of course, so the whole process gets pretty > lengthy, but it does let you format bibliographies for Word with > Zotero from Org... > > Yours, > Christian > > > this is certainly something I'd like to do. But i have the problem > > that (1) I don't really know how to use latex, and was trying to > > avoid what now seems like the necessary task of learning how to use > > it; and > > (2) in my field (history) latex and bibtex are both pretty > > problematic as export formats. Bibtex doesn't support most > > humanistic citation styles (and has a rigid type strcture which > > doesn't accommodate things like archival materials very well; while > > latex is neither an acceptable submission format for most journals, > > nor a good formation for collaboration with other scholars (since > > everyone else writes in MS Word). This means that what I really > > need is a more robust open-document exporter; but that's been > > giving me problem after problem lately (for instance, mk4ht has > > stopped exporting some of my most important documents, for reasons > > I don't understand but might be related to org-mode's latex > > exporter. I have this notion I saw a generic exporter that someone > > wrote for odt, in which you feed the exporter a template document > > which ocntains all the relevant style definitions. but I can't > > find it anymore, and as I recall it didn't really seem to work very > > well anyway. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- Alan L Tyree http://www2.austlii.edu.au/~alan Tel: 04 2748 6206