* Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
@ 2015-06-17 0:51 Q
2015-06-17 2:22 ` Q
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From: Q @ 2015-06-17 0:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hello everyone,
I am view this file
http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.org
It's a prettey long document, when it all folded up, navigating to previous
line and next line takes about 2 seconds. When the sub heading is shown,
it's more responsive. Is this a bug?
Thank you!
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2015-06-17 0:51 Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode? Q
@ 2015-06-17 2:22 ` Q
2015-06-17 7:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-28 11:43 ` Stefan-W. Hahn
2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Q @ 2015-06-17 2:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
It slows everything, even change buffer takes about 2 seconds. And all this
slowness disappear when the buffer is unfolded.
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 0:51 Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode? Q
2015-06-17 2:22 ` Q
@ 2015-06-17 7:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-17 12:12 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-17 17:13 ` Qiang Fang
2015-06-28 11:43 ` Stefan-W. Hahn
2 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-06-17 7:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Q; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Q <godblessfq@gmail.com> writes:
> I am view this file
> http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.org
>
> It's a prettey long document, when it all folded up, navigating to previous
> line and next line takes about 2 seconds. When the sub heading is shown,
> it's more responsive. Is this a bug?
I don't know. What Org version are you using? Could you use a profiler
and report results?
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 7:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-06-17 12:12 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-17 12:49 ` Andreas Leha
2015-06-17 14:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-17 17:13 ` Qiang Fang
1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2015-06-17 12:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Nicolas,
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [17. Jun. 2015]:
> Hello,
>
> Q <godblessfq@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I am view this file
>> http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.org
>>
>> It's a prettey long document, when it all folded up, navigating to previous
>> line and next line takes about 2 seconds. When the sub heading is shown,
>> it's more responsive. Is this a bug?
>
> I don't know. What Org version are you using? Could you use a profiler
> and report results?
I thought this is a known problem which gets worse with the
amount of hidden text. The workaround is to use a
„#+STARTUP: showeverything“ directive. I use this in order to
make a longish org file with many clocking lines in drawers
usable.
It would be great if this could be fixed.
I would like to help but need help myself on how to produce
profiler reports. My org mode version is
8.3beta (release_8.3beta-1228-gd1f9aa @ /home/grfz/src/org-mode/lisp/)
but I have this problem since months or years.
Regards, Gregor
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 12:12 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2015-06-17 12:49 ` Andreas Leha
2015-06-17 14:16 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-17 14:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Leha @ 2015-06-17 12:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Gregor,
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> Hi Nicolas,
> * Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [17. Jun. 2015]:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Q <godblessfq@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I am view this file
>>> http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.org
>>>
>>> It's a prettey long document, when it all folded up, navigating to previous
>>> line and next line takes about 2 seconds. When the sub heading is shown,
>>> it's more responsive. Is this a bug?
>>
>> I don't know. What Org version are you using? Could you use a profiler
>> and report results?
>
> I thought this is a known problem which gets worse with the
> amount of hidden text. The workaround is to use a
> „#+STARTUP: showeverything“ directive. I use this in order to
> make a longish org file with many clocking lines in drawers
> usable.
>
> It would be great if this could be fixed.
>
> I would like to help but need help myself on how to produce
> profiler reports. My org mode version is
>
> 8.3beta (release_8.3beta-1228-gd1f9aa @ /home/grfz/src/org-mode/lisp/)
>
> but I have this problem since months or years.
>
Shot in the dark: Do have linum-mode enabled? That is always my first
candidate when I experience slowdowns.
Best,
Andreas
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 12:12 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-17 12:49 ` Andreas Leha
@ 2015-06-17 14:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-20 20:49 ` Gregor Zattler
1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-06-17 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> I would like to help but need help myself on how to produce
> profiler reports.
M-x profiler-start
Do something slow
M-x profiler-report
Regards,
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 14:09 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-06-20 20:49 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-21 9:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-22 8:21 ` Sebastien Vauban
0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2015-06-20 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Nicolas,
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [17. Jun. 2015]:
> Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
>> I would like to help but need help myself on how to produce
>> profiler reports.
>
> M-x profiler-start
>
> Do something slow
>
> M-x profiler-report
Thanks, this seemed rather easy and I open the org file in
question in overview now:
- most of the time it’s not slow! That’s great and a big
difference to months ago, when it was slow very often.
- but there some hangs now and then. At that moment I cannot
start the profiler. If I start the profiler at the
beginning of using this org file and stop it maybe hours later
after something was slow: Would such report be helpful?
Ciao, Gregor
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-20 20:49 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2015-06-21 9:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-21 9:46 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-23 10:49 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-22 8:21 ` Sebastien Vauban
1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-06-21 9:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> - but there some hangs now and then.
Is it a complete freeze (i.e., you need to use C-g to get out of the
loop) or a slowdown of a couple of seconds?
The former is a bug. However, some changes in the buffer imply a massive
loss of the cache (e.g., inserting a block clears cache in the whole
section), so the next action can be slow since you need to fill it
again, hence the slowdown.
> At that moment I cannot
> start the profiler. If I start the profiler at the
> beginning of using this org file and stop it maybe hours later
> after something was slow: Would such report be helpful?
It might not give any useful information. However, the best way to know
is to look at it.
Regards,
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-21 9:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-06-21 9:46 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-23 10:49 ` Gregor Zattler
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2015-06-21 9:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Nicolas,
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [21. Jun. 2015]:
> Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
>> - but there some hangs now and then.
>
> Is it a complete freeze (i.e., you need to use C-g to get out of the
> loop) or a slowdown of a couple of seconds?
It’s a slow down.
> The former is a bug. However, some changes in the buffer imply a massive
> loss of the cache (e.g., inserting a block clears cache in the whole
> section), so the next action can be slow since you need to fill it
> again, hence the slowdown.
Hmh. Last time I was annoyed was when I wanted the cursor to
move down a few lines in the agenda: pressing „arrow down“ took
two seconds or some such before the cursor actually moved.
>> At that moment I cannot
>> start the profiler. If I start the profiler at the
>> beginning of using this org file and stop it maybe hours later
>> after something was slow: Would such report be helpful?
>
> It might not give any useful information. However, the best way to know
> is to look at it.
OK I’ll start with profiler then. Thanks, Gregor
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-21 9:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-21 9:46 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2015-06-23 10:49 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-23 20:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Gregor Zattler @ 2015-06-23 10:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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Hi Nicolas,
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [21. Jun. 2015]:
[Profiler Reports]
> It might not give any useful information. However, the best way to know
> is to look at it.
The first profiler report is after 105 minutes of Emacs uptime.
I had captured infos via org-protocol, refiled them to another
file and then wanted to navigate (arrow keys) to the TODO item in
order to mark it done. It took seconds till the cursor moved.
Sadly I saved only the memory profiler report.
Then I wrote an reply to your message and while examining the
situation, there was another slow down, when I wanted to switch
buffers via helm, this did nothing for a few secs. This are the
second reports, only minutes later.
Then I typed ahead and there was a slow down while typing.
System began to swap, emnacs did not respond, I killed Emacs,
firefox, was not able to do a swapoff -a because of memory
restrictions, rebooted the computer, started Emacs with org-mode,
tried to go to the last clocked-in item: and there was a slow
down after say 2 minutes (third profiler reports).
These reports are attachet.
HTH, Gregor
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-23 10:49 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2015-06-23 20:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-07-20 8:39 ` Gregor Zattler
0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-06-23 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> These reports are attachet.
Thank you. However, I don't see anything incriminating Org in these
reports.
Regards,
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-23 20:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-07-20 8:39 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-07-20 9:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Gregor Zattler @ 2015-07-20 8:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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Hi Nicolas,
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [23. Jun. 2015]:
> Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> These reports are attachet.
>
> Thank you. However, I don't see anything incriminating Org in these
> reports.
Now I think I found something specific. I do open the org-mode
file in question with #+STARTUP: showeverything because otherwise
it’s slow. Today I discovered org-goto. This presents the
buffer in overview mode. So I started the profiler, started
org-goto and typed 11 letters in order to jump to a heading.
This takes quite some time while my notebooks fan is making noise
and Emacs uses 100% cpu according to htop.
I did this two times with the same org-mode file:
- with Org-mode version 8.3beta (release_8.3beta-1291-gd6e601 @
/home/grfz/src/org-mode/lisp/) on GNU Emacs 25.0.50.4
(i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2015-07-17 on boo
- with Org-mode version 8.2.10 (release_8.2.10 @
/usr/local/stow/emacs-snapshot/share/Emacs/25.0.50/lisp/org/)
on the same version of Emacs.
I do not know how to read these reports, but to me it seems, that
most of the cpu cycles are used by org-context, org-end-of-item,
org-list-struct and org-list-context. The memory reports do not
seem to be of interest but I attach them for the sake of
completeness.
HTH, Gregor
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-07-20 8:39 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2015-07-20 9:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-07-20 12:32 ` Gregor Zattler
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2015-07-20 9:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
> Now I think I found something specific. I do open the org-mode
> file in question with #+STARTUP: showeverything because otherwise
> it’s slow. Today I discovered org-goto. This presents the
> buffer in overview mode. So I started the profiler, started
> org-goto and typed 11 letters in order to jump to a heading.
> This takes quite some time while my notebooks fan is making noise
> and Emacs uses 100% cpu according to htop.
>
> I did this two times with the same org-mode file:
>
> - with Org-mode version 8.3beta (release_8.3beta-1291-gd6e601 @
> /home/grfz/src/org-mode/lisp/) on GNU Emacs 25.0.50.4
> (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2015-07-17 on boo
>
> - with Org-mode version 8.2.10 (release_8.2.10 @
> /usr/local/stow/emacs-snapshot/share/Emacs/25.0.50/lisp/org/)
> on the same version of Emacs.
>
> I do not know how to read these reports, but to me it seems, that
> most of the cpu cycles are used by org-context, org-end-of-item,
> org-list-struct and org-list-context. The memory reports do not
> seem to be of interest but I attach them for the sake of
> completeness.
I removed a call to `org-context' in
985420eceb3661aae8b1caafc95e959ab12ad1cb. Does it fix your problem?
For the record, `org-context' predates Org Elements and should
ultimately be removed from the code base.
Regards,
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-07-20 9:49 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-07-20 12:32 ` Gregor Zattler
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From: Gregor Zattler @ 2015-07-20 12:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Nicolas,
thanks for this change it makes a tremendous difference.
* Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> [20. Jul. 2015]:
> Gregor Zattler <telegraph@gmx.net> writes:
>
>> Now I think I found something specific. I do open the org-mode
>> file in question with #+STARTUP: showeverything because otherwise
>> it’s slow. Today I discovered org-goto. This presents the
>> buffer in overview mode. So I started the profiler, started
>> org-goto and typed 11 letters in order to jump to a heading.
>> This takes quite some time while my notebooks fan is making noise
>> and Emacs uses 100% cpu according to htop.
>>
>> I did this two times with the same org-mode file:
>>
>> - with Org-mode version 8.3beta (release_8.3beta-1291-gd6e601 @
>> /home/grfz/src/org-mode/lisp/) on GNU Emacs 25.0.50.4
>> (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.14.5) of 2015-07-17 on boo
>>
>> - with Org-mode version 8.2.10 (release_8.2.10 @
>> /usr/local/stow/emacs-snapshot/share/Emacs/25.0.50/lisp/org/)
>> on the same version of Emacs.
>>
>> I do not know how to read these reports, but to me it seems, that
>> most of the cpu cycles are used by org-context, org-end-of-item,
>> org-list-struct and org-list-context. The memory reports do not
>> seem to be of interest but I attach them for the sake of
>> completeness.
>
> I removed a call to `org-context' in
> 985420eceb3661aae8b1caafc95e959ab12ad1cb. Does it fix your problem?
Yes, it’s *much* faster now, it’s so responsive it’s almost
instantaneous. Thanks.
> For the record, `org-context' predates Org Elements and should
> ultimately be removed from the code base.
Ciao, Gregor
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-20 20:49 ` Gregor Zattler
2015-06-21 9:13 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-06-22 8:21 ` Sebastien Vauban
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Sebastien Vauban @ 2015-06-22 8:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Gregor Zattler <telegraph-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org> writes:
> * Nicolas Goaziou <mail-Gpy5sJQTEQHwkn9pgDnJRVAUjnlXr6A1@public.gmane.org> [17. Jun. 2015]:
>> Gregor Zattler <telegraph-hi6Y0CQ0nG0@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>> I would like to help but need help myself on how to produce
>>> profiler reports.
>>
>> M-x profiler-start
>>
>> Do something slow
>>
>> M-x profiler-report
>
> Thanks, this seemed rather easy and I open the org file in
> question in overview now:
>
> - most of the time it’s not slow! That’s great and a big
> difference to months ago, when it was slow very often.
>
> - but there some hangs now and then. At that moment I cannot
> start the profiler. If I start the profiler at the
> beginning of using this org file and stop it maybe hours later
> after something was slow: Would such report be helpful?
FWIW, I've always used:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;; Do not switch to OVERVIEW at startup.
(setq org-startup-folded nil)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and I don't see any particular slowdown for my Org files:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(Info) Found file ~/Public/Repositories/org-mode/lisp/../doc/library-of-babel.org in 1.28 s
(Info) Found file ~/org/personal/travaux-listing.org in 2.32 s
(Info) Found file ~/org/personal/travaux.org in 0.28 s
(Info) Found file ~/org/personal/conso.txt in 1.71 s
(Info) Found file ~/org/notes/Notes-on-Lisp.txt in 0.61 s
(Info) Found file ~/org/personal/Personal.org in 0.97 s
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
PS- Code to get the above timings:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defadvice find-file (around my/find-file activate)
"Open the file named FILENAME and report time spent."
(let ((filename (ad-get-arg 0))
(find-file-time-start (float-time)))
(message "(Info) Finding file %s..." filename)
ad-do-it
(message "(Info) Found file %s in %.2f s" filename
(- (float-time) find-file-time-start))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sebastien Vauban
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 7:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-17 12:12 ` Gregor Zattler
@ 2015-06-17 17:13 ` Qiang Fang
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Qiang Fang @ 2015-06-17 17:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Q, emacs-orgmode
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I found it linum mode that slows all things down.
Thank you for the help!
Qiang
On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:51 AM, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Q <godblessfq@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I am view this file
> > http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.org
> >
> > It's a prettey long document, when it all folded up, navigating to
> previous
> > line and next line takes about 2 seconds. When the sub heading is shown,
> > it's more responsive. Is this a bug?
>
> I don't know. What Org version are you using? Could you use a profiler
> and report results?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou
>
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* Re: Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode?
2015-06-17 0:51 Why navigating in Org mode is so slow in overview mode? Q
2015-06-17 2:22 ` Q
2015-06-17 7:51 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2015-06-28 11:43 ` Stefan-W. Hahn
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From: Stefan-W. Hahn @ 2015-06-28 11:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Q; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Mail von Q, Wed, 17 Jun 2015 at 00:51:02 +0000:
Hello,
according to emacs bug#16803 I'm using
toggle-cache-long-scans in my org-files.
Best (first line in org-file):
-*- eva: (toggle-cache-long-scans); -*-
Greetings
Stefan
--
Stefan-W. Hahn It is easy to make things.
It is hard to make things simple.
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