From: Rainer M Krug <Rainer@krugs.de>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Titus von der Malsburg <malsburg@posteo.de>
Subject: Re: Feature request: lists with letters
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2017 09:50:29 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2inorvesq.fsf@krugs.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bmukcqnn.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Thu, 02 Feb 2017 20:57:00 +0100")
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Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Titus von der Malsburg <malsburg@posteo.de> writes:
>
>> One issue with org-list-allow-alphabetical is that we get numbers
>> instead of letters when we export to HTML and LaTeX. I saw the earlier
>> thread [0] that gives the reasoning for this but I find it
>> unsatisfying. If Org allows us to distinguish between -, +, 1., 1), a.,
>> A., a), A), this should also be honored by the exporter.
>
> This is also why I dislike the feature.
>
>> Otherwise it’s rather pointless to allow that distinction in the first
>> place.
>
> Exactly.
>
>> IMHO, a clean solution would be to either drop everything but - and
>> 1. or to keep all these and make the exporters honor them. The former
>> would breaks existing documents and is therefore out of the
>> question. This leaves us with the second solution.
>
> I wouldn't rule that out. Breaking changes happen. We can provide tools
> to fix existing documents.
>
> Actually, I like the idea of keeping only "-" and "1.". We could
> implement other bullet types as overlays.
>
>> Any chance you are willing to reconsider the decision to ignore
>> allow-alphabetical during export?
>
> I still agree with Carsten in the thread you pointed out. Org document
> is about structure. The bullet in about typesetting.
I must admit, I haven't read the thread mentioned, and I am sure
Carsten's point was correct, but orgmode is more and more used for
non-structure tasks. As an example I see the whole field of reproductive
research and scientific paper writing, which, in my opinion, has many
more elements than structure. Another example are html emails (like them
or not - I also dislike them) which people compose in org, or org as a
LaTeX frontend.
Exporting, i.e. typesetting and sharing, becomes much more important
these days and possibly as important as the structure.
In a nutshell: I agree with Titus' point and also would love to have
alphabetical bullets.
But it is for me not that important if they are alphabetical or numeric
in org - a simple command / which I could put in front of the list, and
*which could be interpreted by the exporter* to do the right thing for
this list would be fine, simmilar to bold, verbtin, ...
The implementation would then be in the exporter.
Cheers,
Rainer
>
>> I think it would be very useful to have that. I know there are other
>> ways to get alphabetical bullets in exported documents but they are
>> all specific to certain export targets and the beauty of Org mode is
>> precisely that we can export to many different targets.
>
> The beauty of Org is also to allow to control different export targets
> in the same document.
>
> I think this is a non-issue.
>
> Regards,
--
Rainer M. Krug
email: Rainer<at>krugs<dot>de
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Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-02-02 17:28 Feature request: lists with letters Titus von der Malsburg
2017-02-02 17:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-02 19:42 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2017-02-02 19:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-02 20:05 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2017-02-02 20:19 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-02 20:33 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2017-02-03 8:50 ` Rainer M Krug [this message]
2017-02-03 16:22 ` William Denton
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2017-02-03 11:37 Titus von der Malsburg
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2017-02-03 12:40 ` Eric S Fraga
2017-02-03 13:47 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2017-02-06 15:34 ` Rasmus
2017-02-06 19:59 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2017-02-09 9:29 ` Rasmus
2017-02-10 10:58 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2017-02-11 1:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-13 10:51 ` Rasmus
2017-02-13 13:47 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-13 16:55 ` Rasmus
2017-02-13 20:39 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2017-02-14 11:25 ` Rasmus
2017-02-14 12:57 ` Nicolas Goaziou
[not found] ` <9385a1ca2a23417399fb441d6d85795d@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com>
2017-02-11 12:39 ` Eric S Fraga
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