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* Smarter indent with C-j
@ 2007-03-06 11:00 Leo
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From: Leo @ 2007-03-06 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hello!

I am wondering if the following behavior is desirable.

  *** Head 1
      |
      ^ C-j should move the point here

  - Item 1
    |
    ^ C-j should move the point here

Regards,
-- 
Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)

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• • * Re: Smarter indent with C-j
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    @ 2007-03-06 16:30   ` Leo
      2007-03-06 18:44     ` Carsten Dominik
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
    From: Leo @ 2007-03-06 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    Hello, Eddward!
    
    On 2007-03-06, Eddward DeVilla said:
    
    > I would like this. 
    
    Follow up in the mailing list would increase the chance of this
    feature being implemented by Carsten ;)
    
    > I would want to make sure it doesn't use tab characters though.  I
    > already have something inserting tabs in the left margin that is
    > playing merry heck with C-q and autofill.
    
    I hate tab as well but I don't know what's the best to suggest.
    
    > Are you thinking it would only work directly under a heading or on
    > any line under a heading?
    
    C-j can do that indent already in any mode i.e.
    
          Fist line
          |
          ^ C-j move the point here.
    
    > Edd
    >
    > On 3/6/07, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> Hello!
    >>
    >> I am wondering if the following behavior is desirable.
    >>
    >>   *** Head 1
    >>       |
    >>       ^ C-j should move the point here
    >>
    >>   - Item 1
    >>     |
    >>     ^ C-j should move the point here
    >>
    >> Regards,
    >> --
    >> Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> _______________________________________________
    >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
    >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
    >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
    >>
    
    
    regards,
    -- 
    Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
    
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  • • * Re: Smarter indent with C-j
        2007-03-06 16:30   ` Leo
      @ 2007-03-06 18:44     ` Carsten Dominik
        2007-03-06 21:13       ` Eddward DeVilla
        0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
      From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-06 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
      
      
      On Mar 6, 2007, at 17:30, Leo wrote:
      
      > Hello, Eddward!
      >
      > On 2007-03-06, Eddward DeVilla said:
      >
      >> I would like this.
      >
      > Follow up in the mailing list would increase the chance of this
      > feature being implemented by Carsten ;)
      >
      >> I would want to make sure it doesn't use tab characters though.  I
      >> already have something inserting tabs in the left margin that is
      >> playing merry heck with C-q and autofill.
      >
      > I hate tab as well but I don't know what's the best to suggest.
      
      (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
      
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    • • * Re: Smarter indent with C-j
          2007-03-06 18:44     ` Carsten Dominik
        @ 2007-03-06 21:13       ` Eddward DeVilla
          0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
        From: Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-03-06 21:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Leo
        
        On 3/6/07, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote:
        >
        > On Mar 6, 2007, at 17:30, Leo wrote:
        >
        > > Hello, Eddward!
        > >
        > > On 2007-03-06, Eddward DeVilla said:
        > >
        > >> I would like this.
        > >
        > > Follow up in the mailing list would increase the chance of this
        > > feature being implemented by Carsten ;)
        
        I forget to hit 'reply to all' all the time.  :-)
        
        > >> I would want to make sure it doesn't use tab characters though.  I
        > >> already have something inserting tabs in the left margin that is
        > >> playing merry heck with C-q and autofill.
        > >
        > > I hate tab as well but I don't know what's the best to suggest.
        >
        > (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)
        
        Thanks!
        
        Edd
        
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• * Re: Smarter indent with C-j
    2007-03-06 11:00 Smarter indent with C-j Leo
         [not found] ` <b71b18520703060800s258d4727ve93bb698033ae268@mail.gmail.com>
  @ 2007-03-06 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik
    2007-03-07  7:48 ` Carsten Dominik
    2 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
  From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-06 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  
  On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:00, Leo wrote:
  
  > Hello!
  >
  > I am wondering if the following behavior is desirable.
  >
  >   *** Head 1
  >       |
  >       ^ C-j should move the point here
  >
  >   - Item 1
  >     |
  >     ^ C-j should move the point here
  
  Yes, I would say it is.  I'll put it on the list.
  
  - Carsten
  
  >
  > Regards,
  > -- 
  > Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
  >
  >
  >
  > _______________________________________________
  > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
  > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
  > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
  >
  >
  
  --
  Carsten Dominik
  Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
  Universiteit van Amsterdam
  Kruislaan 403
  NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
  phone: +31 20 525 7477
  
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• * Re: Smarter indent with C-j
    2007-03-06 11:00 Smarter indent with C-j Leo
         [not found] ` <b71b18520703060800s258d4727ve93bb698033ae268@mail.gmail.com>
    2007-03-06 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik
  @ 2007-03-07  7:48 ` Carsten Dominik
    2007-03-22  8:05   ` Leo
    2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
  From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-07  7:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Leo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  Fixed, thanks.
  
  - Carsten
  
  On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:00, Leo wrote:
  
  > Hello!
  >
  > I am wondering if the following behavior is desirable.
  >
  >   *** Head 1
  >       |
  >       ^ C-j should move the point here
  >
  >   - Item 1
  >     |
  >     ^ C-j should move the point here
  >
  > Regards,
  > -- 
  > Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
  >
  
  
  
  --
  Carsten Dominik
  Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
  Universiteit van Amsterdam
  Kruislaan 403
  NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
  phone: +31 20 525 7477
  
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• • * Re: Smarter indent with C-j
      2007-03-07  7:48 ` Carsten Dominik
    @ 2007-03-22  8:05   ` Leo
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      0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
    From: Leo @ 2007-03-22  8:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    On 2007-03-07, Carsten Dominik said:
    
    > Fixed, thanks.
    >
    > - Carsten
    
    I just noticed one minor issue for check boxes. As in org 4.69:
    
       - [ ] Check box 1<--- C-j
         |<--- cursor moved here
    
    I think the following is more elegant:
       - [ ] Check box 1<--- C-j
             |<--- cursor moved here
    
    What do people think?
    
    Best,
    -- 
    Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
    
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    • • * Re: Re: Smarter indent with C-j
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        @ 2007-03-22 16:00       ` Leo
          2007-03-25  9:40       ` Leo
          1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
        From: Leo @ 2007-03-22 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Eddward DeVilla; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
        
        
        I CC the list.
        
        On 2007-03-22, Eddward DeVilla said:
        
        > On 3/22/07, Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com> wrote:
        >> On 2007-03-07, Carsten Dominik said:
        >>
        >> > Fixed, thanks.
        >
        >> >
        >> > - Carsten
        >>
        >> I just noticed one minor issue for check boxes. As in org 4.69:
        >>
        >>    - [ ] Check box 1<--- C-j
        >>      |<--- cursor moved here
        >>
        >> I think the following is more elegant:
        >>    - [ ] Check box 1<--- C-j
        >>          |<--- cursor moved here
        >>
        >> What do people think?
        >
        > I tend to use the top behavior, but I do kind of the look of the second one.  How would
        > you handle subcheck boxes?
        >
        >   - [ ] list 1
        >         - [ ] list 1.1
        >
        > or
        >
        >   - [ ] list 1
        >     - [ ] list 1.1
        >
        > Now that I think of it, this could be a little hairy for me.  Right now the behavior is
        > uniform.  Always a 2 char indent (but I could live with a uniform 4 or 6 char).  But
        > sometimes I do the following
        >
        >   - [/] list 1
        >     - [ ] list 1.1
        >
        > The size of the [/] token can vary.  I think I'd still like it to be treated like a box
        > in this case.  I guess I'd like it to indent the number of character as a checkbox
        > line.  
        >
        > Also, how would you handle numbered lists where the indent would also change for lists
        > with 10 or more items.
        >
        >    1) [ ] foo1
        >           bar1
        >    2) [ ] foo2
        >           bar2
        >     ...
        >    10) [ ] foo10
        >            bar10
        >
        > Sorry for some many questions.  I'm not against it.  I think I've convinced myself I'd
        > I'd like a deeper indent for readability.  My just not sure what the right thing is in
        > all cases.
        >
        > Edd
        
        I didn't think of that many cases. But the questions are all good for
        triggering a better solution. Thanks.
        
        -- 
        Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
        
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      • * Re: Re: Smarter indent with C-j
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          2007-03-22 16:00       ` Leo
        @ 2007-03-25  9:40       ` Leo
          1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
        From: Leo @ 2007-03-25  9:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: emacs-orgmode
        
        I now find some time to think about Eddward's questions and I just
        realized all those questions have little to do with what C-j should
        do.
        
        My proposed change is in common with some other outliners such as this
        one: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnioutliner/pro/
        
        Any comments?
        
        On 2007-03-22, Eddward DeVilla said:
        
        >> I just noticed one minor issue for check boxes. As in org 4.69:
        >>
        >>    - [ ] Check box 1<--- C-j
        >>      |<--- cursor moved here
        >>
        >> I think the following is more elegant:
        >>    - [ ] Check box 1<--- C-j
        >>          |<--- cursor moved here
        >>
        >> What do people think?
        >
        > I tend to use the top behavior, but I do kind of the look of the
        > second one.  How would you handle subcheck boxes?
        >
        >   - [ ] list 1
        >         - [ ] list 1.1
        > or
        >
        >   - [ ] list 1
        >     - [ ] list 1.1
        
        This is not related to C-j, which stays in the same list entry or
        heading.
        
        >
        > Now that I think of it, this could be a little hairy for me.  Right
        >now the behavior is
        > uniform.  Always a 2 char indent (but I could live with a uniform 4 or 6 char).  But
        > sometimes I do the following
        >
        >   - [/] list 1
        >     - [ ] list 1.1
        >
        > The size of the [/] token can vary.  I think I'd still like it to be treated like a box
        > in this case.  I guess I'd like it to indent the number of character as a checkbox
        > line.  
        
        Again, not related to what C-j does.
        
        >
        > Also, how would you handle numbered lists where the indent would
        >also change for lists
        > with 10 or more items.
        >
        >    1) [ ] foo1
        >           bar1
        >    2) [ ] foo2
        >           bar2
        >     ...
        >    10) [ ] foo10
        >            bar10
        
        Again not related. C-j is about aligning text.
        
        Best,
        -- 
        Leo <sdl.web AT gmail.com>                         (GPG Key: 9283AA3F)
        
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