* text-only plots @ 2013-12-07 19:48 Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 11:00 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-12-08 11:27 ` Michael Brand 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-07 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi all Org fans. What about text-only plots in tables ? All in Emacs, without any external package. | x | x^2 | | |----+-----+--------------| | 0 | 0 | | | 1 | 1 | . | | 2 | 4 | : | | 3 | 9 | u | | 4 | 16 | W | | 5 | 25 | Wu | | 6 | 36 | WW: | | 7 | 49 | WWH | | 8 | 64 | WWWV | | 9 | 81 | WWWWH | | 10 | 100 | WWWWWW | | 11 | 121 | WWWWWWW- | | 12 | 144 | WWWWWWWWl | | 13 | 169 | WWWWWWWWWW. | | 14 | 196 | WWWWWWWWWWWV | #+TBLFM: $3='(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 200) I wrote a package to draw such small-quick-and-text-only graphs. It is here: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html Just type C-c p Comments and enhancements are welcome! Have fun. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-07 19:48 text-only plots Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 11:00 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-12-08 11:27 ` Michael Brand 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-12-08 11:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Sat, Dec 07, 2013 at 07:48:51PM +0000, Thierry Banel wrote: > > I wrote a package to draw such small-quick-and-text-only graphs. > It is here: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html > Just type C-c p This looks cool! -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-07 19:48 text-only plots Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 11:00 ` Suvayu Ali @ 2013-12-08 11:27 ` Michael Brand 2013-12-08 12:28 ` Michael Brand 2013-12-08 13:34 ` Achim Gratz 1 sibling, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Banel; +Cc: Org Mode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1862 bytes --] Hi Thierry On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Thierry Banel <tbanelwebmin@free.fr> wrote: > What about text-only plots in tables ? > All in Emacs, without any external package. > > | x | x^2 | | > |----+-----+--------------| > | 0 | 0 | | > | 1 | 1 | . | > | 2 | 4 | : | > | 3 | 9 | u | > | 4 | 16 | W | > | 5 | 25 | Wu | > | 6 | 36 | WW: | > | 7 | 49 | WWH | > | 8 | 64 | WWWV | > | 9 | 81 | WWWWH | > | 10 | 100 | WWWWWW | > | 11 | 121 | WWWWWWW- | > | 12 | 144 | WWWWWWWWl | > | 13 | 169 | WWWWWWWWWW. | > | 14 | 196 | WWWWWWWWWWWV | > #+TBLFM: $3='(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 200) > > I wrote a package to draw such small-quick-and-text-only graphs. > It is here: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html > Just type C-c p > > Comments and enhancements are welcome! > Have fun. Your idea is very good. I suggest to have also a unicode variant using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Elements with (elt " ▏▎▍▌▋▊▉" [...]) to divide one char into eight widths which I will use often for time series: | year | % | ascii | unicode | |------+----+----------+----------| | 2009 | 55 | WWWWWWl | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▌ | | 2010 | 54 | WWWWWWu | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▍ | | 2011 | 60 | WWWWWWW: | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▏ | | 2012 | 62 | WWWWWWW; | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▍ | #+TBLFM: $3 = '(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 100) :: $4 = '(orgtbl-uc-draw $2 0 100) Attached is a screenshot with DejaVu Sans Mono as an example of a font that shows the same block height for all block widths (some other fonts don't show the same block height for all block widths). Remember "C-u C-x =" too see the name etc. of the char at point. Michael [-- Attachment #2: unicode.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 11488 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 11:27 ` Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 12:28 ` Michael Brand 2013-12-08 12:58 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 13:34 ` Achim Gratz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Banel; +Cc: Org Mode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1341 bytes --] On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> wrote: > I suggest to have also a unicode variant using > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Elements To make it more complete: Distinguish between the variant with coordinate grid and the one continuous: | year | % | ascii | grid (0 to 7 8th) | continuous (0 to 8 8th) | |------+----+----------+-------------------+-------------------------| | 2009 | 55 | WWWWWWl | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▌ | ██████▋ | | 2010 | 54 | WWWWWWu | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▍ | ██████▌ | | 2011 | 60 | WWWWWWW: | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▏ | ███████▎ | | 2012 | 62 | WWWWWWW; | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▍ | ███████▌ | #+TBLFM: $3 = '(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 100) :: $4 = '(orgtbl-uc-draw-grid $2 0 100) :: $5 = '(orgtbl-uc-draw-cont $2 0 100) #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp ;; orgtbl-uc-draw-grid [...] (make-string (floor column) ?\▉) (string (elt " ▏▎▍▌▋▊▉" (round (* (- column (floor column)) 7)))))))) ;; orgtbl-uc-draw-cont [...] (make-string (floor column) ?\█) (string (elt " ▏▎▍▌▋▊▉█" (round (* (- column (floor column)) 8)))))))) #+END_SRC Michael [-- Attachment #2: DejaVu_Sans_Mono.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 16952 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 12:28 ` Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 12:58 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 17:43 ` Thierry Banel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand <at> gmail.com> writes: > To make it more complete: Distinguish between the variant with > coordinate grid and the one continuous: > > | year | % | ascii | grid (0 to 7 8th) | continuous (0 to 8 8th) | > |------+----+----------+-------------------+-------------------------| > | 2009 | 55 | WWWWWWl | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▌ | ██████▋ | > | 2010 | 54 | WWWWWWu | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▍ | ██████▌ | > | 2011 | 60 | WWWWWWW: | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▏ | ███████▎ | > | 2012 | 62 | WWWWWWW; | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▍ | ███████▌ | > #+TBLFM: $3 = '(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 100) :: $4 = > '(orgtbl-uc-draw-grid $2 0 100) :: $5 = '(orgtbl-uc-draw-cont $2 0 > 100) Hi Michael I love your extension! I will integrate it. The unicode (unicorn?) version should fall-back gracefully to the ascii version if utf is not supported. Thierry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 12:58 ` Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 17:43 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 19:48 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-12-08 22:16 ` Michael Brand 0 siblings, 2 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hello all. Following a suggestion from Michael Brand (thanks, Michael!), I implemented a version able to use unicode block characters. It is here: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html Use =C-u C-c p= in the column to plot, and answer questions. Without =C-u= prefix, the base ascii, 12 characters wide version is used. | x | x^2 | ascii | uc cont | uc grid | |----+-----+--------------+--------------+--------------| | 0 | 0 | | | | | 1 | 1 | | | | | 2 | 4 | : | ▏ | ▏ | | 3 | 9 | u | ▍ | ▌ | | 4 | 16 | H | ▊ | ▉ | | 5 | 25 | Wu | ▉▍ | █▌ | | 6 | 36 | WW. | ▉▉▏ | ██▏ | | 7 | 49 | WWH | ▉▉▉ | ███ | | 8 | 64 | WWWV | ▉▉▉▊ | ███▉ | | 9 | 81 | WWWWV | ▉▉▉▉▊ | ████▉ | | 10 | 100 | WWWWWW | ▉▉▉▉▉▉ | ██████ | | 11 | 121 | WWWWWWW: | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▎ | ███████▍ | | 12 | 144 | WWWWWWWWl | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▋ | ████████▊ | | 13 | 169 | WWWWWWWWWW. | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▎ | ██████████▎ | | 14 | 196 | WWWWWWWWWWWh | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉ | ████████████ | #+TBLFM: $4='(orgtbl-uc-draw-grid $2 0 196 12)::$5='(orgtbl-uc-draw-cont $2 0 196 12)::$3='(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 200) Have fun Thierry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 17:43 ` Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 19:48 ` Carsten Dominik 2013-12-08 23:10 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 22:16 ` Michael Brand 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2013-12-08 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Banel; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Thierry, This is really nice. Thank you! This is not a lot of code - I would not mind simply integrating this into org-table.el The only hickup might be that this could be trouble for the exporters - or have you produced the webpage directly from an org file? - Carsten On 8.12.2013, at 18:43, Thierry Banel <tbanelwebmin@free.fr> wrote: > Hello all. > > Following a suggestion from Michael Brand (thanks, Michael!), > I implemented a version able to use unicode block characters. > It is here: > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html > > Use =C-u C-c p= in the column to plot, and answer questions. > Without =C-u= prefix, the base ascii, 12 characters wide version is used. > > | x | x^2 | ascii | uc cont | uc grid | > |----+-----+--------------+--------------+--------------| > | 0 | 0 | | | | > | 1 | 1 | | | | > | 2 | 4 | : | ▏ | ▏ | > | 3 | 9 | u | ▍ | ▌ | > | 4 | 16 | H | ▊ | ▉ | > | 5 | 25 | Wu | ▉▍ | █▌ | > | 6 | 36 | WW. | ▉▉▏ | ██▏ | > | 7 | 49 | WWH | ▉▉▉ | ███ | > | 8 | 64 | WWWV | ▉▉▉▊ | ███▉ | > | 9 | 81 | WWWWV | ▉▉▉▉▊ | ████▉ | > | 10 | 100 | WWWWWW | ▉▉▉▉▉▉ | ██████ | > | 11 | 121 | WWWWWWW: | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▎ | ███████▍ | > | 12 | 144 | WWWWWWWWl | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▋ | ████████▊ | > | 13 | 169 | WWWWWWWWWW. | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▎ | ██████████▎ | > | 14 | 196 | WWWWWWWWWWWh | ▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉▉ | ████████████ | > #+TBLFM: $4='(orgtbl-uc-draw-grid $2 0 196 12)::$5='(orgtbl-uc-draw-cont $2 > 0 196 12)::$3='(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 0 200) > > Have fun > Thierry > > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 19:48 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2013-12-08 23:10 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-09 12:19 ` Suvayu Ali 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 23:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik <at> gmail.com> writes: > > Hi Thierry, > > This is really nice. Thank you! > > This is not a lot of code - I would not mind simply integrating this into org-table.el The only hickup might be > that this could be trouble for the exporters - or have you produced the webpage directly from an org file? > > - Carsten > Hi Carsten. Wonderful! It will be useful to many. I'm not sure I understand the exporters issue. Do you talk about the html exporter, the Odt exporter, and so on ? Well, once a plot has been added to a table, it is just text. It will be exported as any other content in the table. Maybe I'm missing something... Yes, this webpage: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html was produced by the Worg engine, from a regular Org file. Another issue is the key-binding. I bound the plotter to C-c p (p as "plot") But this can be discussed. Thierry PS: thanks for Org-mode, it changed my life. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 23:10 ` Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-09 12:19 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-12-09 14:30 ` Ivan Andrus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-12-09 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1298 bytes --] Hi Thierry, On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 11:10:47PM +0000, Thierry Banel wrote: > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik <at> gmail.com> writes: > > > > This is not a lot of code - I would not mind simply integrating this into > org-table.el The only hickup might be > > that this could be trouble for the exporters - or have you produced the > webpage directly from an org file? > > I'm not sure I understand the exporters issue. > Do you talk about the html exporter, the Odt exporter, and so on ? > Well, once a plot has been added to a table, it is just text. > It will be exported as any other content in the table. > Maybe I'm missing something... > > Yes, this webpage: > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html > was produced by the Worg engine, from a regular Org file. Technically speaking, it is not exported as a table since you put it as part of example block. However a quick test tells me, html export will work fine (screenshot attached). However LaTeX export is an entirely different story. Unicode support in normal pdflatex is quite non-trivial. If you use XeLaTeX, I think you could get it to work with some appropriate choice of fonts. I tried libertine and dejavu without any luck. Hope this helps, -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. [-- Attachment #2: ascii-plot.png --] [-- Type: image/png, Size: 11401 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-09 12:19 ` Suvayu Ali @ 2013-12-09 14:30 ` Ivan Andrus 2013-12-09 22:48 ` Thierry Banel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Ivan Andrus @ 2013-12-09 14:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Thierry, > > On Sun, Dec 08, 2013 at 11:10:47PM +0000, Thierry Banel wrote: >> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik <at> gmail.com> writes: >>> >>> This is not a lot of code - I would not mind simply integrating this into >> org-table.el The only hickup might be >>> that this could be trouble for the exporters - or have you produced the >> webpage directly from an org file? >> >> I'm not sure I understand the exporters issue. >> Do you talk about the html exporter, the Odt exporter, and so on ? >> Well, once a plot has been added to a table, it is just text. >> It will be exported as any other content in the table. >> Maybe I'm missing something... >> >> Yes, this webpage: >> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html >> was produced by the Worg engine, from a regular Org file. > > Technically speaking, it is not exported as a table since you put it as > part of example block. However a quick test tells me, html export will > work fine (screenshot attached). However LaTeX export is an entirely > different story. Unicode support in normal pdflatex is quite > non-trivial. If you use XeLaTeX, I think you could get it to work with > some appropriate choice of fonts. I tried libertine and dejavu without > any luck. Would it be possible to export it to \rule when using LaTeX? It wouldn't be text then and you couldn't copy it, but it should work with any TeX engine regardless of fonts etc. Just a thought. -Ivan ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-09 14:30 ` Ivan Andrus @ 2013-12-09 22:48 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-09 23:55 ` Suvayu Ali 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-09 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ivan Andrus <darthandrus <at> gmail.com> writes: > > On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux <at> gmail.com> wrote: > > Technically speaking, it is not exported as a table since you put it as > > part of example block. However a quick test tells me, html export will > > work fine (screenshot attached). However LaTeX export is an entirely > > different story. Unicode support in normal pdflatex is quite > > non-trivial. If you use XeLaTeX, I think you could get it to work with > > some appropriate choice of fonts. I tried libertine and dejavu without > > any luck. > > Would it be possible to export it to \rule when using LaTeX? It wouldn't be text then and you couldn't copy it, > but it should work with any TeX engine regardless of fonts etc. Just a thought. > > -Ivan > > Right, Suvayu, Unicodes are not universally supported. So, what about coming back to basics ? Just Ascii like that: | x | sin(x/4) | Ascii | |----+-------------+--------------| | 0 | 0 | WWWWWh | | 1 | 0.32719470 | WWWWWWWV | | 2 | 0.61836980 | WWWWWWWWWl | | 3 | 0.84147098 | WWWWWWWWWWW | | 4 | 0.97193790 | WWWWWWWWWWWV | | 5 | 0.99540796 | WWWWWWWWWWWW | | 6 | 0.90929743 | WWWWWWWWWWW; | | 7 | 0.72308588 | WWWWWWWWWW- | | 8 | 0.45727263 | WWWWWWWWl | | 9 | 0.14112001 | WWWWWWl | | 10 | -0.19056796 | WWWWl | | 11 | -0.50127705 | WWl | | 12 | -0.75680250 | W | #+TBLFM: $3='(orgtbl-ascii-draw $2 -0.9290145 0.99540796 12) We remove Unicodes until someone comes with an idea. Ivan, the LaTex \rule might be a (pretty) solution for the LaTex exporter. But then we should also take care of all past and future exporters... Thierry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-09 22:48 ` Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-09 23:55 ` Suvayu Ali 2013-12-10 22:24 ` Thierry Banel 0 siblings, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-12-09 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Hi Thiery, On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 10:48:22PM +0000, Thierry Banel wrote: > Ivan Andrus <darthandrus <at> gmail.com> writes: > > On Dec 9, 2013, at 5:19 AM, Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux <at> gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Technically speaking, it is not exported as a table since you put it as > > > part of example block. However a quick test tells me, html export will > > > work fine (screenshot attached). However LaTeX export is an entirely > > > different story. Unicode support in normal pdflatex is quite > > > non-trivial. If you use XeLaTeX, I think you could get it to work with > > > some appropriate choice of fonts. I tried libertine and dejavu without > > > any luck. > > > > Would it be possible to export it to \rule when using LaTeX? It > > wouldn't be text then and you couldn't copy it, but it should work > > with any TeX engine regardless of fonts etc. Just a thought. > > Right, Suvayu, Unicodes are not universally supported. > So, what about coming back to basics ? > Just Ascii like that: [...chomp...chomp...chomp...] > We remove Unicodes until someone comes with an idea. > > Ivan, the LaTex \rule might be a (pretty) solution for the LaTex exporter. > But then we should also take care of all past and future exporters... Firstly, I think the unicode bit is a terrific improvement; specially the two options: grid and continuous. I think there are two distinct problems here: the plot as shown in org, and export. We should not confuse the two. I will suggest for the moment having the plotting bits is enough. HTML export works, plain text export sort of works[1]. As you see, getting it right for all (most) exporters is non-trivial, so I would say no need for worrying about supporting past exporters. Handling this needs some conditional behaviour: plain text -> backend, or unicode -> backend. You could use a standardised column title to selectively choose/ignore columns. So ASCII export would ignore unicode columns. LaTeX export would replace the chars with appropriate symbols (e.g. \rule, as suggested by Ivan). Texinfo and markdown supports unicode, so that should be fine (like HTML). When we have something that is acceptable, you can publish the exporter code and the plotting code as part of the same module, say org-ascii-plot.el (or something along those lines). Which could then go in contrib. WDYT? Footnotes: [1] Sort-of, because it "lies" by including unicode chars even if you export to ASCII only. -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-09 23:55 ` Suvayu Ali @ 2013-12-10 22:24 ` Thierry Banel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-10 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux <at> gmail.com> writes: > Firstly, I think the unicode bit is a terrific improvement; specially > the two options: grid and continuous. I think there are two distinct > problems here: the plot as shown in org, and export. We should not > confuse the two. > > I will suggest for the moment having the plotting bits is enough. HTML > export works, plain text export sort of works[1]. As you see, getting > it right for all (most) exporters is non-trivial, so I would say no need > for worrying about supporting past exporters. > > Handling this needs some conditional behaviour: plain text -> backend, > or unicode -> backend. You could use a standardised column title to > selectively choose/ignore columns. So ASCII export would ignore unicode > columns. LaTeX export would replace the chars with appropriate symbols > (e.g. \rule, as suggested by Ivan). Texinfo and markdown supports > unicode, so that should be fine (like HTML). > > When we have something that is acceptable, you can publish the exporter > code and the plotting code as part of the same module, say > org-ascii-plot.el (or something along those lines). Which could then go > in contrib. > > WDYT? > > Footnotes: > > [1] Sort-of, because it "lies" by including unicode chars even if you > export to ASCII only. > Thanks, Suvayu, for your insight into the export issue. So, to summarize, we have several options: 1- Keep only the Ascii version | WWWWWWh | (+) Simple. (+) No problem ahead. (-) Lose the clean look provided by unicodes. 2- Put Ascii version in org-core, Unicode version in contrib/ (+) Simple (+) The Org core is on the safe side, while contrib/ gives an advanced option which could break exporters. (-) The clean look provided by unicodes will remain mostly unknown. 3- Keep Unicode version, do nothing for exporters (+) Simple (-) Generates long threads in mailing lists: "exporter XX is broken, it does not export my table". (-) Not all fonts are able to render such unicodes, (this is true in Emacs, without even talking about exporters). 4- Mark unicode plot columns as "non-exportable", and have exporters ignore them. (+) Clean and straightforward. (-) Need a new feature in org-tables: "non-exportable column". (-) Exporters & users should be made aware of the new feature. 5- Translate unicodes to something sensible, for example - LaTeX exporter: \rule - Ascii exporter: ignore - Odt exporter: pass them on without additional processing (+) Exporters take decisions at the cell level rather than at the table level. (+) "Ignore exotic unicodes" or "do nothing special" are good default behaviors for all exporters. 6- Another option? Now we have to decide. What would be your preference, Org users? Mine would go to option 1 or 2 for the time being. Then if people like the plotter, version 2.0 would implement option 5. Why option 1 or 2 ? Because it is consistent with the rest of Org. Table are made of regular Ascii characters (plus, minus, pipe) |---+---| | a | b | although better suited unicode characters exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_Drawing ┌───┬───┐ │ a │ b │ We all love the vintage look of Org, while being the most advanced orginizer out there, don't we? Thierry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 17:43 ` Thierry Banel 2013-12-08 19:48 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2013-12-08 22:16 ` Michael Brand 2013-12-08 23:15 ` Thierry Banel 1 sibling, 1 reply; 16+ messages in thread From: Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Thierry Banel; +Cc: Org Mode Hi Thierry On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Thierry Banel <tbanelwebmin@free.fr> wrote: > Following a suggestion from Michael Brand (thanks, Michael!), > I implemented a version able to use unicode block characters. > It is here: > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/orgtbl-ascii-plot.html Thank you for implementing these variations. Michael ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 22:16 ` Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 23:15 ` Thierry Banel 0 siblings, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Thierry Banel @ 2013-12-08 23:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand <at> gmail.com> writes: > > Thank you for implementing these variations. > > Michael > > Thanks for this simple and effective idea. Thierry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
* Re: text-only plots 2013-12-08 11:27 ` Michael Brand 2013-12-08 12:28 ` Michael Brand @ 2013-12-08 13:34 ` Achim Gratz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 16+ messages in thread From: Achim Gratz @ 2013-12-08 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Michael Brand writes: > Your idea is very good. I suggest to have also a unicode variant using > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Elements > with (elt " ▏▎▍▌▋▊▉" [...]) to divide one char into eight widths which These would be even more useful if all UPPER and RIGHT variants existed. Oh well. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf rackAttack: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSounds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 16+ messages in thread
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