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* How to get 'repeating footnotes' please?
@ 2018-04-08 15:53 Sharon Kimble
2018-04-08 19:18  Samuel Wales
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From: Sharon Kimble @ 2018-04-08 15:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: org-mode-email

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How can I have repeat footnotes in an org-mode file that is exported to
latex and then built into a pdf file please? All my footnotes are 4
digits like '[fn:0010]'.

For example, if I had '[fn:0001] Apples are green' on page 3 of my
document, how can I then have the same footnote on page 53 please?

Thanks
Sharon.
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* Re: How to get 'repeating footnotes' please?
2018-04-08 15:53 How to get 'repeating footnotes' please? Sharon Kimble
@ 2018-04-08 19:18  Samuel Wales
2018-04-10 12:42    Sharon Kimble
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2018-04-08 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: org-mode-email

[fn:apples: ...]

[fn:apples]

--
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The disease DOES progress. MANY people have died from it. And ANYBODY
can get it at any time.

"You’ve really gotta quit this and get moving, because this is murder
by neglect." ---
<http://www.meaction.net/2017/02/03/pwme-people-with-me-are-being-murdered-by-neglect>.

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* Re: How to get 'repeating footnotes' please?
2018-04-08 19:18  Samuel Wales
@ 2018-04-10 12:42    Sharon Kimble
2018-04-10 18:11      Berry, Charles
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Sharon Kimble @ 2018-04-10 12:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: org-mode-email

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Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:

> [fn:apples: ...]
>
> [fn:apples]

I'm sorry Samuel, but it seems like you haven't read all of my initial
question, where I stated 'All my footnotes are 4 digits like
'[fn:0010]'.' I'm not going to change my habits of using numerical
footnotes that have been in documents for over ten years now to alpha
footnotes. Sorry, its just not going to happen!

But I am open to any other suggestions which involve numerical
footnotes?

Thanks
Sharon.
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A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk
DrugFacts = https://www.drugfacts.org.uk
Debian 9.4, fluxbox 1.3.7, emacs 25.3.4, org 9.1.9

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* Re: How to get 'repeating footnotes' please?
2018-04-10 12:42    Sharon Kimble
@ 2018-04-10 18:11      Berry, Charles
2018-04-13 10:40        Sharon Kimble
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Berry, Charles @ 2018-04-10 18:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: org-mode-email

> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:42 AM, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote:
>
> Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> [fn:apples: ...]
>>
>> [fn:apples]
>
> I'm sorry Samuel, but it seems like you haven't read all of my initial
> question, where I stated 'All my footnotes are 4 digits like
> '[fn:0010]'.' I'm not going to change my habits of using numerical
> footnotes that have been in documents for over ten years now to alpha
> footnotes. Sorry, its just not going to happen!
>
> But I am open to any other suggestions which involve numerical
> footnotes?
>

Numerical footnotes work the same as alpha AFAICS. So, Samuel's suggestion works, but I think you may be asking a question about repeating the *text* of a footnote rather than merely referencing it from a different location.  If so, there may be a latex solution for you. Perhaps this helps:

http://www.tex.ac.uk/FAQ-repfootnote.html

and the fixfoot package is what you need.
??

If not maybe you can elaborate on what the desired latex should be.

HTH,

Chuck

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* Re: How to get 'repeating footnotes' please?
2018-04-10 18:11      Berry, Charles
@ 2018-04-13 10:40        Sharon Kimble
2018-04-14 20:31          Berry, Charles
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Sharon Kimble @ 2018-04-13 10:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Berry, Charles; +Cc: org-mode-email

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"Berry, Charles" <ccberry@ucsd.edu> writes:

>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:42 AM, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>> Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> [fn:apples: ...]
>>>
>>> [fn:apples]
>>
>> I'm sorry Samuel, but it seems like you haven't read all of my initial
>> question, where I stated 'All my footnotes are 4 digits like
>> '[fn:0010]'.' I'm not going to change my habits of using numerical
>> footnotes that have been in documents for over ten years now to alpha
>> footnotes. Sorry, its just not going to happen!
>>
>> But I am open to any other suggestions which involve numerical
>> footnotes?
>>
>
>
> Numerical footnotes work the same as alpha AFAICS. So, Samuel's suggestion works, but I think you
> may be asking a question about repeating the *text* of a footnote rather than merely referencing it
> from a different location. If so, there may be a latex solution for you. Perhaps this helps:
>
> 	http://www.tex.ac.uk/FAQ-repfootnote.html
>
> and the fixfoot package is what you need.
> ??
>
> If not maybe you can elaborate on what the desired latex should be.

Thanks Chuck.

Yes it is 'repeating text' that I want in my reused footnotes.

The problem with the latex solutions that you've proposed is that they
rely on what I call 'static footnotes' meaning that the footnote number
always stays the same, whereas org-mode uses 'dynamic footnotes' meaning
that if you insert one between 3 and 4 they are automatically renumbered
to "3 and new one 4 and 5".

When you're writing a long document, be it a book or an article or even
a letter and you use footnotes, its very handy for them to be
recalibrated every time that you use or insert a footnote. This
recalibration or automatic renumbering is a godsend I've found, and is
one of the strengths of org-mode, especially when you're memory is
becoming increasingly problematic and you keep forgetting what you want
to say.

And that's why I'm trying to get repeat text in org-modes dynamic
footnotes. In every experiment that I've made using [fn:0001] as my
reference point it has failed, seemingly due to an inability to graft
latex commands into an org-mode dynamic footnote, which is then exported
and published as an latexed PDF.

To help in potentially debugging or getting this going I'm also
including my very minimalist totally nonsensical MWE -

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+STARTUP: fnadjust
#+LaTeX_class: memoir

* Introduction
# \minitoc

You can also find information about your rights and choices, including refusing treatment, setting
down your wishes for your future treatment, and _how_ [fn:1] to give someone the legal right to make
decisions for you if you are no longer capable.

# \footnote{how is a banana\label{fn:repeat}}
[fn:1] how is a banana\label{1:how is a banana}

# [fn:1] \footnote{how is a banana\label{fn:repeat}}

** What is palliative care?

It can be delivered alongside particular treatments, such as chemotherapy or radiotherapy.
Palliative care helps people with advanced or terminal illnesses have the best possible _quality of
life_ [fn:2]. This also includes support for their families.

# Specialist palliative care is typically delivered by a team with diverse expertise in caring for
# people with progressive and life-limiting illness.

[fn:2] The individuals's ability to enjoy normal life activities.

*** What is palliative care?

End-of-life care includes palliative care. If you have an illness that can't be cured, palliative
care makes you as comfortable as possible, by managing your pain and other distressing symptoms. It
also involves psychological, social and spiritual support for you and your family or carers. This is
called a holistic approach, because it deals with you as a "whole" _person_. \footref{1:repeat}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Thanks
Sharon.

[fn:0001] http://www.tex.ac.uk/FAQ-repfootnote.html
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* Re: How to get 'repeating footnotes' please?
2018-04-13 10:40        Sharon Kimble
@ 2018-04-14 20:31          Berry, Charles
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Berry, Charles @ 2018-04-14 20:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: org-mode-email

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 3:40 AM, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote:
>
> "Berry, Charles" <ccberry@ucsd.edu> writes:
>
>>> On Apr 10, 2018, at 5:42 AM, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> [fn:apples: ...]
>>>>
>>>> [fn:apples]
>>>
>>> I'm sorry Samuel, but it seems like you haven't read all of my initial
>>> question, where I stated 'All my footnotes are 4 digits like
>>> '[fn:0010]'.' I'm not going to change my habits of using numerical
>>> footnotes that have been in documents for over ten years now to alpha
>>> footnotes. Sorry, its just not going to happen!
>>>
>>> But I am open to any other suggestions which involve numerical
>>> footnotes?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Numerical footnotes work the same as alpha AFAICS. So, Samuel's suggestion works, but I think you
>> may be asking a question about repeating the *text* of a footnote rather than merely referencing it
>> from a different location. If so, there may be a latex solution for you. Perhaps this helps:
>>
>> 	http://www.tex.ac.uk/FAQ-repfootnote.html
>>
>> and the fixfoot package is what you need.
>> ??
>>
>> If not maybe you can elaborate on what the desired latex should be.
>
> Thanks Chuck.
>
> Yes it is 'repeating text' that I want in my reused footnotes.
>
> The problem with the latex solutions that you've proposed is that they
> rely on what I call 'static footnotes' meaning that the footnote number
> always stays the same, whereas org-mode uses 'dynamic footnotes' meaning
> that if you insert one between 3 and 4 they are automatically renumbered
> to "3 and new one 4 and 5".
>
> When you're writing a long document, be it a book or an article or even
> a letter and you use footnotes, its very handy for them to be
> recalibrated every time that you use or insert a footnote. This
> recalibration or automatic renumbering is a godsend I've found, and is
> one of the strengths of org-mode, especially when you're memory is
> becoming increasingly problematic and you keep forgetting what you want
> to say.
>
> And that's why I'm trying to get repeat text in org-modes dynamic
> footnotes. In every experiment that I've made using [fn:0001] as my
> reference point it has failed, seemingly due to an inability to graft
> latex commands into an org-mode dynamic footnote, which is then exported
> and published as an latexed PDF.

Org has no concept of a page', which is required to handle repetition on subsequent pages.

I think you are stuck in needing to find a LaTeX solution.  And then look at how you marry it to org.

HTH,

Chuck

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