Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim

From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Herbert Sitz <hsitz@nwlink.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: An Org-mode clone for Vim
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 07:05:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DAF2603A-D814-4CAA-BF89-D33E6D2700E4@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <loom.20101105T201146-870@post.gmane.org>

Hi Herbert,

this looks pretty amazing - I had no feeling for how much would
be possible in vim.  I believe that this will make some people
quite happy, and I also think that it is a smart move
to avoid publishing headaches by calling out to Emacs.
I too like the number of hidden lines instead of ellipses
for the outlining and some other little things.  I hope
that you'll keep us up to date here - it looks like we
will be able to learn a few things from your work.

Congratulations

- Carsten

On Nov 5, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Herbert Sitz wrote:

> I've been working on a Vim plugin that is file-compatible with Org- 
> mode and that
> clones a good subset of features.  It's gotten to the point where  
> I'd like to
> put it up on Github and see if anyone wants to use it and/or help  
> develop it
> with me.  So far I've implemented a good subset of Org's  
> functionality and,
> though it has a few rough edges, right now it could be perfectly  
> usable for
> certain people out there who prefer Vim as a text editor, but who  
> have been
> drawn to Emacs' Org-mode because of its features.  My project isn't  
> at the point
> where it has all the features or the polish of Org-mode, but many  
> Org-mode users
> use only a small subset of Org.  For people who prefer Vim and have  
> subsets
> coinciding with my project it could be an option.
>
> I've made a video showing what it looks like and demonstrating some  
> of the basic
> outlining stuff.  I just uploaded it to Vimeo, and it tells me it  
> will be
> available for viewing in a couple hours (i.e., around 3:15pm PST  
> today, Friday
> Nov. 5,2010).  When available it will be viewable at this link:
> http://vimeo.com/16543959
>
> For someone who asks, 'Why would you bother to do this for Vim when  
> it's already
> done in Emacs?", I would have these responses:
>
> 1.  A lot of people don't like Emacs.  It is of course an insanely  
> powerful
> piece of software, but a lot of people can never get accustomed to  
> the chord-key
> command system, or if they do get semi-accustomed they don't like it  
> or it
> causes them physical pain.
> 2.  Some people are of the opinion that, while Emacs is admittedly a  
> great
> operating system/development environment, it lacks a decent text  
> editor.  ;)
> 3.  Emacs and Vim (or Vim and Emacs) are king and queen atop the  
> pile of text
> editors.  What one has the other should have to, to the extent  
> possible.
> 4.  I consider myself a Vim person, but I moved to Org-mode and  
> Emacs myself
> (made almost palatable to me by Viper and Vimpulse) because I wanted  
> to be able
> to publish outlines to PDF and HTML.  Vim has a couple decent  
> outliners but
> nobody has bothered to create good export systems for quality  
> output.  I had
> written some (non-publishing-related) extensions for one of the Vim  
> outliners
> and I knew it wouldn't be that hard to write something in Vim that was
> file-compatible with Org-mode, which would then be able to publish  
> to PDF and
> HTML simply by calling out to an Emacs server.  This was my original  
> goal and
> it's done and works great.
> 5.  As I did some work I became more curious about all the task  
> management and
> organization features in Org-mode, and how they might be implemented  
> in Vim.  So
> I started coding up stuff for the various Org searches, agenda  
> views, sparse
> trees, column views, date management, etc.  This is actually fun to  
> do and Vim
> is well-suited for doing it.  So I've kept going.  I'm hoping  
> someone else might
> have an interest in doing this with me.
> 6. As I said in 5., developing this stuff is fun.
>
> That's about it.  If there's any interest I'll do more videos  
> showing how other
> Org-mode features have been implemented in the Vim plugin, and where  
> they stand
> right now in the Vim plugin compared to Org-mode.
>
> Regards,
>
> Herb Sitz
> Seattle, WA
>
>
>
>
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