Re: timer for a task

From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Konstantin Antipin <antipin.konstantin@googlemail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode mailing list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: timer for a task
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 06:27:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CB7A213B-A312-4503-911F-76B2CF1E53B3@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <61176df0905261513y14e397b0h8610b1fb4f2489cb@mail.gmail.com>

On May 27, 2009, at 12:13 AM, Konstantin Antipin wrote:

> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Carsten Dominik
> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On May 26, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Konstantin Antipin wrote:
>>
>>> Carsten, thank you for explanation.
>>> Hopefully, I will get FSF papers soon.
>>>
>>> In a meanwhile, here is another patch that introduces following  
>>> changes:
>>>
>>>   In case we set effort estimate on the currently clocked item,
>>>   show message when time is up (notification is shown only once)
>>>    * Linux only: If libnotify is used - the standard notification
>>>      system in linux, then show notification with it.
>>>      Note: Additional package libnotify-bin should be installed.
>>>  Additionally, if variable org-clock-sound is set, interpret it as
>>> path to sound file
>>>  and play it (wav files only).
>>>    * If aplay (tool from alsa - standard linux sound system) is
>>> available play sound
>>>      with it (all type of files).
>>>
>>> So, if someone has interest in this features, please try it.
>>> I also would like to discuss If we want this functionality (sound  
>>> and
>>> notification) in the core,
>>> or it is better to put it to the extension... Or, just introduce
>>> another variable that controls if we show notification or not...
>>
>> I think we can put this into the core if:
>>
>> - this will work without crashing on any system where Emacs runs on,
>>  i.e. if the re is no way to play a sound file, fall back to (ding)
>>  with a message or so...
> Well, I made it such, that
> * If you are using linux
> * and if you have libnotify or aplay in your $PATH, then libnotify or
> aplay will be used.
> If not, use simple message and emacs-beep.
> It should not break things...
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> TODO:
>>> * As proposed by Daniel, give user an option to see total time,  
>>> spend
>>> on the task instead of currently clocked time.
>>> In fact, this functionality requires refactoring of org-clock-sum
>>> function. Is it ok, if I do it?
>>
>> Maybe you don't really need to refactor it:
>>
>>    (save-restriction
>>      (org-narrow-to-subtree)
>>      (org-clock-sum)
>>      org-clock-file-total-minutes)
>>
>> will give you the total clocked time in minutes.
>
> Coool! so elegantly simple!
> I used it in the current patch.

This is now a single patch, containing all your changes?

> DONE:  Show total clocked time in mode line.
>           (Instead of time since last start)
> In fact, now I simply changed the default behavior - now mode-line
> shows total clocked time,
> without giving user a preference. I thought it is more logical
> behavior... Or should I introduce defcustom that controls it?
>
> Probably I am sending too much patches around :)
> Just a suggestion: why don't we use github for org-mode hosting? It
> would be soooo simple to contribute
> and to manage things! You would only benefit from this, Carsten.;)
> Github is a really nice service. And free, of course.

What would be the advantages of using github instead of repo.or.cz?
I have found repo.or.cz less polished looking than githib, but very
fast and reliable, while github is getting boged down when America
wakes up :-)

- Carsten

> Transition to it would be a breeze as well. I can help, if needed  
> with this...
>
> Konstantin
>
>
>
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Konstantin
>>>
>>> patch is made on the git version of orgmode.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Carsten Dominik
>>> <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On May 25, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Konstantin Antipin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here is the patch to org-clock.el that does show estimated  
>>>>> effort in
>>>>> the mode-line if it is set.  Like so: 01:20/01:30 (clocked
>>>>> time/estimated time)
>>>>>  It does it by:
>>>>>  * Setting new variable org-clock-effort in org-clock-in function.
>>>>>  * If org-clock-effort is not nil, show estimated effort in the
>>>>> mode-line.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to go further and do the following:
>>>>> * Make a beep/or highlight if we spend more time on a task that
>>>>> initially intended
>>>>> * As proposed by Daniel, give user an option to see total time,  
>>>>> spend
>>>>> on the task instead of currently clocked time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does somebody else need this? Will this changes be accepted to the
>>>>> orgmode-core?
>>>>> I just saw that in order to contribute, you need to sign some  
>>>>> papers..
>>>>> Is this the only way?
>>>>> I am new to open-source, so I am not really familiar with such  
>>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Konstantin,
>>>>
>>>> this is interesting functionality which I would like to have in  
>>>> the core.
>>>>
>>>> I can accept short patches of only a few lines without the  
>>>> paperwork, but
>>>> your patch is already at the limit, and adding the other ideas  
>>>> you have
>>>> will push it over that limit.  We have the following possibilities:
>>>>
>>>> 1. You sign the papers.  This is very simple to do, unless you have
>>>>  an employer who owns everything you do and who might make  
>>>> problems.
>>>>  This would be my preferred solution.
>>>>
>>>> 2. I can put stuff without FSF copyright assignment into the
>>>>  contrib directory - you could make a little package that hooks
>>>>  into Org, I would created any hooks needed.
>>>>
>>>> 3. I treat your contribution as an "idea/feature request" and  
>>>> implement
>>>>  it myself.  As I have many other things to do, this is my least
>>>> preferred
>>>>  solution.
>>>>
>>>> If you decide to sign the papers, please get the form from the  
>>>> homepage
>>>> orgmode.org (near te end) and send it to the FSF, with a CC to  
>>>> me.  This
>>>> will take you no more than 2 minutes.  We can then proceed with
>>>> integrating
>>>> your stuff into the Org core, but I will be able to integrate  
>>>> this change
>>>> into Emacs only after I receive confirmation about the signed  
>>>> paper,
>>>> which
>>>> will happen within a fee weeks or so.
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> Konstantin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Eraldo Helal <admin@eraldo.at>  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds good to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eraldo
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:30, Konstantin Antipin
>>>>>> <antipin.konstantin@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Daniel,
>>>>>>> Yes, you are right indeed. I am talking about effort estimates  
>>>>>>> - I'v
>>>>>>> missed this chapter for some reason from the manual.
>>>>>>> I like the idea you proposed - to show how much time is left  
>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>> mode line. And I think I am going to write necessary code for  
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, may be someone has even better idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> best,
>>>>>>> Konstantin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Daniel Clemente <n142857@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>  I suppose you talk about estimated efforts. I also have  
>>>>>>>> noticed that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> work better if I have defined them, but it is very easy to  
>>>>>>>> miss them
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> work on a task more time than planned.
>>>>>>>>  An easy improvement would be to show at the mode line not  
>>>>>>>> only how
>>>>>>>> much time you have worked on the current task but also the  
>>>>>>>> remaining
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> according to your effort estimate. And if it comes to 0,  
>>>>>>>> highlight it
>>>>>>>> noticeably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Other useful things to show would be the *total* elapsed  
>>>>>>>> time (not
>>>>>>>> only the elapsed time of the last C-c C-x C-i) or directly  
>>>>>>>> the effort
>>>>>>>> estimate (instead of the remaining time, the total time).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  And as you say, an alarm would be useful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Daniel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El dl, mai 25 2009, Konstantin Antipin va escriure:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everybody!
>>>>>>>>> I am constantly trying to be more productive, and there is  
>>>>>>>>> one thing
>>>>>>>>> that I noticed:
>>>>>>>>> If you give yourself a specific time for a task, then you  
>>>>>>>>> tend to
>>>>>>>>> finish this task in this time. It helps to stay focused and  
>>>>>>>>> do stuff
>>>>>>>>> that is most important.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, the question is - Is there any way to set a timer on a  
>>>>>>>>> taks, and
>>>>>>>>> get a bell when it is expired?
>>>>>>>>> Some time before I even wrote a small extension that helps  
>>>>>>>>> me to do
>>>>>>>>> that http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/tea-time
>>>>>>>>> But now I am thinking - is there an orgmode-way to do that?  
>>>>>>>>> It would
>>>>>>>>> be great to integrate it with great time tracking system, for
>>>>>>>>> example...
>>>>>>>>> If nobody uses proposed feature, please give me a hint how  
>>>>>>>>> it would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> best to do that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> my best,
>>>>>>>>> Konstantin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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