* alignment of description list in Org and export old and new
@ 2012-06-02 9:18 Michael Brand
2012-06-04 3:36 ` Jambunathan K
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2012-06-02 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode
Hi all
Is there a way to have automatic alignments in the Org buffer with M-q
(fill-paragraph) and C-c C-c like:
- cmd :: short term + short descr
- cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
- term descr 1
- term descr 2
instead of the default (shown below)?
With a configuration for the character column of the left alignment of
descr that is ideally per list?
Can description lists during export to ASCII, HTML, LaTeX, PDF and ODT
have descr also:
- on the same line as the term when the term is short?
- aligned horizontally?
Some remarks:
Alternatives for the long items could be:
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla
or maybe simply:
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file ::
short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
The default alignment is:
- cmd :: short term + short descr
- cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> :: long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> :: long term + long descr bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
- term descr 1
- term descr 2
M-q on the item "long term + long descr" that is aligned manually as
shown first will be stable only after a second M-q instead of already
after the first M-q with release_7.8.10-633 on 23.3.1.
Michael
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2012-06-02 9:18 alignment of description list in Org and export old and new Michael Brand
@ 2012-06-04 3:36 ` Jambunathan K
2012-06-05 19:48 ` Michael Brand
2012-06-10 16:39 ` Michael Brand
2012-07-31 15:33 ` Michael Brand
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Jambunathan K @ 2012-06-04 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: Org Mode
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> Hi all
>
> Is there a way to have automatic alignments in the Org buffer with M-q
> (fill-paragraph) and C-c C-c like:
>
> - cmd :: short term + short descr
> - cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
> - cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
> long term + short descr
> - cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> - cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
> long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> - cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
> - term descr 1
> - term descr 2
>
> instead of the default (shown below)?
>
> With a configuration for the character column of the left alignment of
> descr that is ideally per list?
>
> Can description lists during export to ASCII, HTML, LaTeX, PDF and ODT
> have descr also:
> - on the same line as the term when the term is short?
> - aligned horizontally?
Tables allow for finer control and alignment. Unfortunately, Org
doesn't support multi-line tables. To alleviate this, (Old) ODT
exporter has a feature called as List-Tables [1]. This feature is not
available with any other backends [2].
I am attaching the Org file that uses list-tables and the corresponding
output.
To achieve the two effects - "same line" and "aligned" that you desire,
all you need to do is
1. turn off the grid lines for the table
2. Adjust the colwidths so that "term" column is smaller and
"description" column is wider
3. Have the "term" column rendered in bold.
Formatting controls - 1, 2 and 3 - are not possible with list-tables
right now and has to be done by hand. There is no reason why these
formatting aids be not made available to list tables.
Btw, good news is List tables will be part of the new infrastructure. I
am not sure when or how Nicolas would like to tackle it though.
> Michael
>
>
Footnotes:
[1] See http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-09/msg00017.html
[2] Since the feature is ODT-only it is not documented.
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* Conventional Description-List
- cmd :: short term + short descr
- cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
- term descr 1
- term descr 2
* Above Description-List as a List-Table
#+BEGIN_list-table
- cmd
- short term + short descr
- cmd -o <dst> <src>
- short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src>
- long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file
- short term
long descr bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src>
- long term
long descr bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src>
-
- term descr 1
- term descr 2
#+END_list-table
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: alignment of description list in Org and export old and new
2012-06-04 3:36 ` Jambunathan K
@ 2012-06-05 19:48 ` Michael Brand
2012-06-09 12:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2012-06-05 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jambunathan K, Org Mode
Hi Jambunathan, hi all
Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tables allow for finer control and alignment. Unfortunately, Org
> doesn't support multi-line tables. To alleviate this, (Old) ODT
> exporter has a feature called as List-Tables [1]. This feature is not
> available with any other backends [2].
>
> I am attaching the Org file that uses list-tables and the corresponding
> output.
Thank you for showing my example as a list-table. The ODT export you
attached looks exactly how I imagined, with "same line" and "aligned".
For me the most important is how the Org buffer looks like and for
many cases I prefer something that has term and description on the
same line also in the Org buffer. Most associations in most of my
lists of associations have term and description short. Since they have
to be on their own line when put into a list-tables they then take
almost double the number of lines in my Org buffers.
For some years now I have been hacking associations this way:
| cmd -o | short term + short descr |
| cmd --log-level=err | long term + short descr |
| \ -o <dst> <src> | |
| cmd --create | short term + long descr bla bla bla bla |
| | \ bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla |
| cmd --log-level=dbg | short term + long descr bla bla bla bla |
| | \ bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla |
So far I could put up with some other disadvantages: It takes an extra
effort to edit the wrapping texts despite the help of M-RET
(org-table-wrap-region) and the manually added syntactic sugar "\" to
help in reading. And it is not well suited for export. Of course I
could narrow the table to get also the longer terms and descriptions
into a single cell but then I don't like the cells truncated in the
Org buffer and in the plain text Org file these rows become long and
misaligned.
Since the Org description list is perfect for that as long as only two
columns are needed, I prefer to follow this path, also to be better
prepared for optional export to various formats. I would "just" like
to have more alignment for description list in the Org buffer itself.
For this alignment with M-q (fill-paragraph) and C-c C-c on
description list I suggest a formatting cookie, similar to Org table
where "<19>" on any row narrows the column:
- when any item contains only "<>": align all descriptions to the
widest term of the list
- when any item contains only "<19>": align all descriptions as if the
widest term would be 19 wide, if necessary start the description on
the next line to not hide the rest of a longer term
- when none of the items matches "^<[0-9]*>$": rearrange whitespace
like now, which means without aligning
Example description lists for the three variants:
- <>
- cmd -o :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> :: long term + short descr
- cmd --create :: short term + long descr bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg :: short term + long descr bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla
- <19>
- cmd -o :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src>
:: long term + short descr
- cmd --create :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd -o :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> :: long term + short descr
- cmd --create :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
Similar to Org table, an item with only this formatting cookie would
be removed automatically when exporting.
The right border of the descriptions still is always according to the
buffer local variable fill-column.
Michael
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2012-06-05 19:48 ` Michael Brand
@ 2012-06-09 12:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2012-06-09 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: Org Mode, Jambunathan K
Hello,
Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> writes:
> For this alignment with M-q (fill-paragraph) and C-c C-c on
> description list I suggest a formatting cookie, similar to Org table
> where "<19>" on any row narrows the column:
> - when any item contains only "<>": align all descriptions to the
> widest term of the list
> - when any item contains only "<19>": align all descriptions as if the
> widest term would be 19 wide, if necessary start the description on
> the next line to not hide the rest of a longer term
> - when none of the items matches "^<[0-9]*>$": rearrange whitespace
> like now, which means without aligning
I think this would complicate code base for little benefit. I suggest to
live with that kind of limitation.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: alignment of description list in Org and export old and new
2012-06-02 9:18 alignment of description list in Org and export old and new Michael Brand
2012-06-04 3:36 ` Jambunathan K
@ 2012-06-10 16:39 ` Michael Brand
2012-06-12 12:37 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2012-07-31 15:33 ` Michael Brand
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2012-06-10 16:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode
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Hi all
2012-06-02 Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com>:
> [...]
>
> - cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
> long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
>
> [...]
>
> M-q on the item "long term + long descr" that is aligned manually as
> shown first will be stable only after a second M-q instead of already
> after the first M-q with release_7.8.10-633 on 23.3.1.
The attached patch resolves also the above issue:
Description list: improve regexp consistency
* lisp/org-list.el (org-at-item-description-p,
org-list-item-body-column): Make the inline regexp more consistent
with `org-list-full-item-re', the inline regexp "Description list
items" from `org-set-font-lock-defaults and others'.
This resolves some issues with M-q (org-fill-paragraph) on description
lists.
Michael
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From 6f642be9974cf153f636a2f3870f63502203fe13 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:35:39 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] Description list: improve regexp consistency
* lisp/org-list.el (org-at-item-description-p,
org-list-item-body-column): Make the inline regexp more consistent
with `org-list-full-item-re', the inline regexp "Description list
items" from `org-set-font-lock-defaults and others'.
This resolves some issues with M-q (org-fill-paragraph) on description
lists.
---
lisp/org-list.el | 4 ++--
1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/org-list.el b/lisp/org-list.el
index 648497f..c6dcb79 100644
--- a/lisp/org-list.el
+++ b/lisp/org-list.el
@@ -489,7 +489,7 @@ group 4: description tag")
(defun org-at-item-description-p ()
"Is point at a description list item?"
- (org-list-at-regexp-after-bullet-p "\\(\\S-.+\\)[ \t]+::[ \t]+"))
+ (org-list-at-regexp-after-bullet-p "\\(\\S-.+\\)[ \t]+::\\([ \t]+\\|$\\)"))
(defun org-at-item-checkbox-p ()
"Is point at a line starting a plain-list item with a checklet?"
@@ -2035,7 +2035,7 @@ Possible values are: `folded', `children' or `subtree'. See
(let (bpos bcol tpos tcol)
(save-excursion
(goto-char item)
- (looking-at "[ \t]*\\(\\S-+\\)\\(.*[ \t]+::\\)?[ \t]+")
+ (looking-at "[ \t]*\\(\\S-+\\)\\(.*[ \t]+::\\)?\\([ \t]+\\|$\\)")
(setq bpos (match-beginning 1) tpos (match-end 0)
bcol (progn (goto-char bpos) (current-column))
tcol (progn (goto-char tpos) (current-column)))
--
1.7.4.2
^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread* Re: alignment of description list in Org and export old and new
2012-06-10 16:39 ` Michael Brand
@ 2012-06-12 12:37 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2012-06-12 12:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: Org Mode
Hello,
Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>
>> - cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
>> long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
>> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
>> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> M-q on the item "long term + long descr" that is aligned manually as
>> shown first will be stable only after a second M-q instead of already
>> after the first M-q with release_7.8.10-633 on 23.3.1.
>
> The attached patch resolves also the above issue:
>
> Description list: improve regexp consistency
>
> * lisp/org-list.el (org-at-item-description-p,
> org-list-item-body-column): Make the inline regexp more consistent
> with `org-list-full-item-re', the inline regexp "Description list
> items" from `org-set-font-lock-defaults and others'.
>
> This resolves some issues with M-q (org-fill-paragraph) on description
> lists.
I have applied your patch. Thank you.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: alignment of description list in Org and export old and new
2012-06-02 9:18 alignment of description list in Org and export old and new Michael Brand
2012-06-04 3:36 ` Jambunathan K
2012-06-10 16:39 ` Michael Brand
@ 2012-07-31 15:33 ` Michael Brand
2012-08-01 14:09 ` Michael Brand
2 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2012-07-31 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org Mode
2012/6/2 Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com>:
> Is there a way to have automatic alignments in the Org buffer with M-q
> (fill-paragraph) and C-c C-c like:
[...]
> - cmd :: short term + short descr
> - cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
[...]
> Alternatives for the long items could be:
>
> - cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
> long term + short descr
> - cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla
> - cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
> long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla
[...]
> - cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
> - term descr 1
> - term descr 2
>
> instead of the default (shown below)?
[...]
> The default alignment is:
>
> - cmd :: short term + short descr
> - cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
> - cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> :: long term + short descr
> - cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla
> - cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> :: long term + long descr bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
> bla bla bla bla bla bla
> - cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
> - term descr 1
> - term descr 2
Since release_7.8.11-282-gb04f9e3 the commands C-c and M-q
(org-fill-paragraph) leave the manual alignment of descr untouched
which is perfect for what I want to achieve:
- cmd :: short term + short descr
- cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
- cmd --log-level=err -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + short descr
- cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o <dst> <src> ::
long term + long descr bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=dbg -o <dst> <src> ::
- term descr 1
- term descr 2
Most of the time lists with only short terms:
- cmd :: short term + short descr
- cmd -o <dst> <src> :: short term + short descr
- cmd --create-file :: short term + long descr bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla
Michael
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2012-07-31 15:33 ` Michael Brand
@ 2012-08-01 14:09 ` Michael Brand
2012-08-01 14:17 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2012-08-01 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Nicolas Goaziou; +Cc: Org Mode
Hi Nicolas
(taken from a different thread
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/58199/focus=58239 )
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 12:15 AM, Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> wrote:
>> - cmd --log-level=wrn -o DST SRC
>> :: description
>> for long term
>
> This isn't even valid syntax. At the moment, Org assumes the double
> colons are on the same line as the bullet.
Ok, in this case only to keep in mind for maybe the future of Org: I
was thinking of the following, with "::" aligned manually for eye
candy and "::" still left untouched by C-c and M-q like already with
release_7.8.11-282-gb04f9e3:
- cmd -o DST SRC :: narrow term + narrow descr
- cmd --create-file :: narrow term + multiline descr bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=err -o DST SRC
:: wide term + narrow descr
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o DST SRC
:: wide term + multiline descr bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o --output-file=DST --input-file=SRC
--input-format=org :: multiline narrow term + narrow descr
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o --output-file=DST --input-file=SRC
--input-format=org --output-format=latex
:: multiline wide term + multiline descr
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd :: narrow term + narrow descr
It would be a homogeneous Org structure allowing to have many "narrow
term + narrow descr" each consuming only one Org buffer line with the
possibility of "multiline term + multiline descr" etc. with aligned
descr columns while being completely visible. This is not well
possible now in Org AFAIK. One of the workarounds, which I would
probably not prefer when exporting because of inhomogeneous structure:
- cmd -o DST SRC :: narrow term + narrow descr
- cmd --create-file :: narrow term + multiline descr bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=err -o DST SRC
- wide term + narrow descr
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o DST SRC
- wide term + multiline descr bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o --output-file=DST --input-file=SRC
--input-format=org
- multiline narrow term + narrow descr
- cmd --log-level=wrn -o --output-file=DST --input-file=SRC
--input-format=org --output-format=latex
- multiline wide term + multiline descr bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla
bla
- cmd :: narrow term + narrow descr
Michael
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2012-08-01 14:09 ` Michael Brand
@ 2012-08-01 14:17 ` Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2012-08-01 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: Org Mode, Nicolas Goaziou
Hi Michael,
Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com> writes:
> It would be a homogeneous Org structure allowing to have many "narrow
> term + narrow descr" each consuming only one Org buffer line with the
> possibility of "multiline term + multiline descr" etc. with aligned
> descr columns while being completely visible.
I don't see a good reason to allow multiline term for descriptive lists.
Those very long "terms" are rare, and we can already put everything on a
unique long line to let the exporters do their job wrt such lists.
Let's stabilize what we have instead.
--
Bastien
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