From: Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: Org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>,
David Masterson <dsmasterson92630@outlook.com>
Subject: Re: archiving speed [was Re: Tips on maintaining history in Org Mode]
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 22:49:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJcAo8tG4eKSXHUJNigZOEa46ymr8yjk_MpZfEbe_aNBNsNp7A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAC=50j8i4qWG_Gs20PdsekWVZPaNto5a==mhoJQpwya_Ht9N5A@mail.gmail.com>
what is the current status of hierarchy in archive files? surely they
don't deal with updating categories and updating hierarchy structure
[sounds brittle and syncy]? i'm thinking it isn't hierarchical at
present, except when you have a doneified task with children?
On 8/11/21, Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think the problem with just using append to file is that it won't
> preserve the shape of the file. For example, if I had a file with
>
> * Notes
> ** Note 1
> blah blah
> ** Note 2 blah blah
>
> * Tasks
> ** DONE task 1
> ** TODO Task 2
>
> and I decide to archive note 1 and task 1, I would like them to both appear
> under the same headings and with the same level. If the process just uses
> append to file, I can have this for the first archiving i.e.
>
> * Noes
> ** Note 1
>
> * Tasks
> ** DONE task 1
>
> but then later, I decide to archive note 2, if append file is used, I will
> end up with
>
> * Notes
> ** Note 1
>
> * Taks
> ** DONE task 1
>
> * Notes
> ** Note 2
>
> which is not what I want. I want
>
> * Notes
> ** Note 1
> ** Note 2
>
> * Tasks
> ** DONE Task 1
>
> So, if we want to preserve hierarchies in our archive files and not have
> everything jumbled up together, the system has to parse the file. If you
> are also using something like Categories, then even more work needs to be
> odne to update the category lists.
>
> What I tend to do is mark items with the ARCHIVE tag and leave them in the
> file and then every few months, move archived data to archive files. It
> can still get slow, but I don't do it often, so it isn't too much of a
> hassle.
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 at 08:23, Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thanks for the clarification. are you saying that, for every archived
>> entry, it calculates teh category property, using the original org
>> file, in order to add a category property to just one archived entry?
>>
>> that would certainly slow down more and more, but it sends me back to
>> my question about whether append to file would work.
>> i.e. build the single entry in a temporary buffer then write that
>> region to a file on disk.
>>
>> On 8/10/21, Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> writes:
>> >
>> >> i should clarify. bulk archiving slows down even with /nonexistent/
>> >> (have not tried empty) archives. as part of normal and expected
>> >> operation, bulk creates the archive for the first entry, and then
>> >> subsequent entries are added. those get slower and slower.
>> >
>> > That's what I suspected. I also see this and my suggestion helped
>> > archiving speed in my case.
>> >
>> >> i use (olpath category itags). i will try (file time) when i can, if
>> >> that still applies. my brain needs to be more operational.
>> >
>> > When you use category, every time you modify the original file (not the
>> > archive!), Org mode re-calculates *all* the categories in the original
>> > Org file. It happens for every single archived heading. If your
>> > original
>> > Org file is large, re-calculations make things extremely slow.
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Ihor
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> The Kafka Pandemic
>>
>> Please learn what misopathy is.
>>
>> https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html
>>
>>
>
> --
> regards,
>
> Tim
>
> --
> Tim Cross
>
--
The Kafka Pandemic
Please learn what misopathy is.
https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-some-diseases-are-wronged.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-08-12 5:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-03-01 4:22 archiving speed [was Re: Tips on maintaining history in Org Mode] Samuel Wales
2021-03-01 6:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-08-11 1:08 ` Samuel Wales
2021-08-11 4:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-08-11 5:58 ` Samuel Wales
2021-08-11 6:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-08-11 22:23 ` Samuel Wales
2021-08-12 0:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-08-12 5:47 ` Samuel Wales
2021-08-12 3:38 ` Tim Cross
2021-08-12 5:49 ` Samuel Wales [this message]
2021-08-12 5:56 ` Tim Cross
2021-10-17 12:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
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