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* [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
@ 2021-10-03 10:34 Rudolf Adamkovič
  2021-10-03 10:57 ` Bruce D'Arcus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Rudolf Adamkovič @ 2021-10-03 10:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

I use APA (via CSL) to cite and would like to write

> According to Someone (2021), foo-bar (p. 42).

I can almost do it with

> Accordint to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar 
> <WHAT-TO-PUT-HERE?>.

Any ideas? In APA, this pattern comes up often.

Thank you!

R+

-- 
I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as they go 
by. -- Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt  Rudolf Adamkovič 
<salutis@me.com> Studenohorská 25 84103 Bratislava Slovakia 
[he/him]


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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-03 10:34 [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style? Rudolf Adamkovič
@ 2021-10-03 10:57 ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-03 13:17   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  2021-10-05 14:42   ` John Kitchin
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-10-03 10:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rudolf Adamkovič; +Cc: org-mode-email

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 6:35 AM Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> wrote:

> I use APA (via CSL) to cite and would like to write
>
> > According to Someone (2021), foo-bar (p. 42).
>
> I can almost do it with
>
> > Accordint to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar
> > <WHAT-TO-PUT-HERE?>.
>
> Any ideas? In APA, this pattern comes up often.

ATM, your only option is to do "(p. 42)."

It would be possible (easy?) to add a "locators" style to
citeproc-el/oc-csl as in oc-biblatex, in which case you would do:

According to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar [cite/locators:@someone-2021].

Bruce


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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-03 10:57 ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-03 13:17   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  2021-10-03 13:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-05 14:42   ` John Kitchin
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Rudolf Adamkovič @ 2021-10-03 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: org-mode-email

"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:

> ATM, your only option is to do "(p. 42)."

Bummer.
 
> It would be possible (easy?) to add a "locators" style to 
> citeproc-el/oc-csl as in oc-biblatex, in which case you would 
> do: 
> 
> According to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar 
> [cite/locators:@someone-2021].

[cite/locators:@someone-2021 42] rather, right?
 
Rudy 

-- 
"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; 
and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's 
logic." -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass  Rudolf 
Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> Studenohorská 25 84103 Bratislava 
Slovakia  [he/him]


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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-03 13:17   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
@ 2021-10-03 13:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-05  7:57       ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-10-03 13:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rudolf Adamkovič; +Cc: org-mode-email

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 9:18 AM Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> wrote:
>
> "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > ATM, your only option is to do "(p. 42)."
>
> Bummer.

You could put in a feature request though ;-)

Aside: the other way to handle this, which has been discussed in the
pandoc community, is to allow infixes, along with the current prefixes
and suffixes.

But that would make an already pretty complex model more complex.

> > It would be possible (easy?) to add a "locators" style to
> > citeproc-el/oc-csl as in oc-biblatex, in which case you would
> > do:
> >
> > According to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar
> > [cite/locators:@someone-2021].
>
> [cite/locators:@someone-2021 42] rather, right?

Yes, that's right!

Bruce


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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-03 13:37     ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-05  7:57       ` Rudolf Adamkovič
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Rudolf Adamkovič @ 2021-10-05  7:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: org-mode-email

"Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:

> You could put in a feature request though ;-)

How?
 
> Aside: […]

Thank you for the explanation!
 
Rudy 

-- 
"Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; 
and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's 
logic." -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass  Rudolf 
Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> Studenohorská 25 84103 Bratislava 
Slovakia  [he/him]


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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-03 10:57 ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-03 13:17   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
@ 2021-10-05 14:42   ` John Kitchin
  2021-10-05 14:54     ` Bruce D'Arcus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: John Kitchin @ 2021-10-05 14:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bruce D'Arcus; +Cc: org-mode-email, Rudolf Adamkovič

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How would this work?

Does [cite/locators:@someone-2021].

imply a specific field in a bibliography entry, e.g. pages, or location?
and then CSL is responsible for formatting it to something like "p. 42" or
"pp. 42-44", etc?

And then if you want to refer to another page in someone-2021, then you
need another bibliography entry with a different key for that, e.g.
someone-2021-87 that might have page 87 in it?

John

-----------------------------------
Professor John Kitchin (he/him/his)
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu



On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 6:59 AM Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 6:35 AM Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> wrote:
>
> > I use APA (via CSL) to cite and would like to write
> >
> > > According to Someone (2021), foo-bar (p. 42).
> >
> > I can almost do it with
> >
> > > Accordint to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar
> > > <WHAT-TO-PUT-HERE?>.
> >
> > Any ideas? In APA, this pattern comes up often.
>
> ATM, your only option is to do "(p. 42)."
>
> It would be possible (easy?) to add a "locators" style to
> citeproc-el/oc-csl as in oc-biblatex, in which case you would do:
>
> According to [cite/text:@someone-2021], foo-bar
> [cite/locators:@someone-2021].
>
> Bruce
>
>

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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-05 14:42   ` John Kitchin
@ 2021-10-05 14:54     ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-05 14:57       ` John Kitchin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-10-05 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: John Kitchin; +Cc: org-mode-email, Rudolf Adamkovič

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 10:42 AM John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>
> How would this work?
>
> Does [cite/locators:@someone-2021].
>
> imply a specific field in a bibliography entry, e.g. pages, or location? and then CSL is responsible for formatting it to something like "p. 42" or "pp. 42-44", etc?

As Rudy noted my example was wrong, because I forgot to include the suffix.

Should be:

[cite/locators:@someone-2021 p. 42]

> And then if you want to refer to another page in someone-2021, then you need another bibliography entry with a different key for that, e.g. someone-2021-87 that might have page 87 in it?

No. Per above, same key and entry; just a different suffix with locator.

[cite/locators:@someone-2021 p. 87]

Sorry for the confusion.


Bruce


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* Re: [org-cite] How to cite page number(s) in APA Style?
  2021-10-05 14:54     ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-05 14:57       ` John Kitchin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: John Kitchin @ 2021-10-05 14:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bruce D'Arcus; +Cc: org-mode-email, Rudolf Adamkovič

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Got it, thanks!

John

-----------------------------------
Professor John Kitchin (he/him/his)
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu



On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 10:54 AM Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 10:42 AM John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > How would this work?
> >
> > Does [cite/locators:@someone-2021].
> >
> > imply a specific field in a bibliography entry, e.g. pages, or location?
> and then CSL is responsible for formatting it to something like "p. 42" or
> "pp. 42-44", etc?
>
> As Rudy noted my example was wrong, because I forgot to include the suffix.
>
> Should be:
>
> [cite/locators:@someone-2021 p. 42]
>
> > And then if you want to refer to another page in someone-2021, then you
> need another bibliography entry with a different key for that, e.g.
> someone-2021-87 that might have page 87 in it?
>
> No. Per above, same key and entry; just a different suffix with locator.
>
> [cite/locators:@someone-2021 p. 87]
>
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
>
> Bruce
>

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